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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:	AMIGA NOTES
Notice:	Join us in the NEW conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:	HYDRA::MOORE

Created:	Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:	Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	5378
Total number of notes:	38326

1186.0. "Can't UPLOAD to save my Life HELP !!!!" by CAMTWO::ARENDT () Fri Feb 19 1988 10:01

                                          
    
     I cannot seem to upload to my systems a work from my A2000.  I have
reviewed all the pertinant notes here and tried the ideas and still have
not succeded.  The error occurs immediatly so I think it must be something
simple.  I have tried this on two different machines (ie microvax 2 and
an 8700) and have gotten the same results.  On the microvax 2 I have full
privilidges and would be willing to try almost any thing.  I have no
trouble down loading at all.  Please excuse the rambling nature of
this note however I could not think of a better way to present it.

     Configuration

MYSIDE:

Amiga 2000
Hayes compatable 2400 baud modem
Foggy Vt200 - also tried smokey vt200 and vt100 emulators.
file type set to ascii
trasfer via kermit SEND selection


MICROVAX SIDE

DF 224 modem
Decserver 200
Microvax 2
kermit 32

Terminal setup info:



> set term/altypeahd/perm

!**************************************************************************
!
! editors note - all that this seemed to change was the device type
! to unknown
!
!**************************************************************************

> show term

Terminal: _LTA39:     Device_Type: Unknown       Owner: DDT
                                              Username: ARENDT

   Input:   2400      LFfill:  0      Width:  80      Parity: None
   Output:  2400      CRfill:  0      Page:   24

Terminal Characteristics:

   Interactive        Echo               Type_ahead         No Escape
   No Hostsync        TTsync             Lowercase          No Tab
   Wrap               Scope              No Remote          Eightbit
   Broadcast          No Readsync        No Form            Fulldup
   No Modem           No Local_echo      No Autobaud        Hangup
   No Brdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       Set_speed
   Line Editing       Overstrike editing No Fallback        No Dialup
   No Secure server   No Disconnect      No Pasthru         No Syspassword
   No SIXEL Graphics  No Soft Characters No Printer Port    Numeric Keypad
   No ANSI_CRT        No Regis           No Block_mode      No Advanced_video
   No Edit_mode       No DEC_CRT         No DEC_CRT2        No DEC_CRT3


!***************************************************************************
!

> run sysgen

sysgen> show TTY_ALTYPAHD


Parameters in use: Active

Parameter Name             Current   Default   Minimum   Maximum Unit  Dynamic
--------------             -------   -------   -------   ------- ----  -------
TTY_ALTYPAHD                  2000       200         0        -1 Bytes



!******************************************************************************
!
!  On microvax side I started by loggin in to the Decserver and setting the
!  port flow control to disable.  Next I logged onto the microvax and set the
!  terminal as specified above. I started kermit up as shown below and
!
!  1. set file type to ascii
!  2. set log file for debug on
!  3. Put kermit in server or receive mode ( same result both ways )
!  4. Initiated kermit SEND on my side
!
!******************************************************************************
!

>@stker

!******************************************************************************
! contents of stker
!******************************************************************************

$  set term/nobroad/eight/past
$  kermit
$  set term/broad/noeight/nopast

!******************************************************************************
!

VMS Kermit-32 version 3.2.077

Default terminal for transfers is:
_LTA39

kermit32>set file type ascii

kermit32>set debug descrip.log

kermit32>receive

Receiving: descrip.mms
 as DISK$FAC:[ARENDT.TOOLS.AMIGA]DESCRIP.MMS;1
 [Aborted]


!******************************************************************************
!
! At this point my system showed 203 bytes transfered and went into retrys,
! after 5 retrys it bombed. It produced the following log file
!
!******************************************************************************


Attempting to receive
Sending...
Message number: 0 (dec)	Length: 3 (dec)
Message type: N (NAK)
Checksum:  "3" = 19 (dec)
Attempting to receive
Received...
Message number: 0 (dec)	Length: 12 (dec)
Message type: S (Send init)
Optional data:

	 "~" "*" " " "@" "*" "#" "Y" "1" "~"
Checksum:  "_" = 63 (dec)
Sending...
Message number: 0 (dec)	Length: 12 (dec)
Message type: Y (ACK)
Optional data:

	 "p" "/" " " "@" "-" "#" "Y" "1" "~"
Checksum:  "_" = 63 (dec)
Attempting to receive
Received...
Message number: 1 (dec)	Length: 14 (dec)
Message type: F (File header)
Optional data:

	 "d" "e" "s" "c" "r" "i" "p" "." "m" "m"
	 "s"

Checksum:  "]" = 61 (dec)
Sending...
Message number: 1 (dec)	Length: 3 (dec)
Message type: Y (ACK)
Checksum:  "?" = 31 (dec)
Attempting to receive
Received...
Message number: 4 (dec)	Length: 80 (dec)
Message type: P
Optional data:

	 "�" "w" "�" "." "#" "
" "p" "." "m" "m"
	 "s" "]" "
" " " "f" "i" "l" "e" " " "f"
	 "o" "r" " " "t" "h" "e" " " "T" "�" "P"
	 "-" "]" "X" "�" "" "�" "j" "" "�" "S"
	 "�" "Y" "�" "J" "�" "�" "�" "�" "�" "�"
	 "�" "�" "G" "" "
" "�" "H" "�" "u" "="
	 "." "�" "S" "$" "�" "H" "�" " " "�" "�"
	 "W" "�" "'" "H" "H" "�" "j"
Checksum:  "�" = 132 (dec)
Sending...
Message number: 2 (dec)	Length: 3 (dec)
Message type: N (NAK)
Checksum:  "5" = 21 (dec)
Attempting to receive
Received...
Message number: 2 (dec)	Length: 80 (dec)
Message type: D (Data)
Optional data:

	 "~" "f" "=" "." "#" "M" "#" "J" "!" " "
	 "M" "M" "S" " " "f" "i" "l" "e" " " "f"
	 "o" "r" " " "t" "h" "e" " " "D" "i" "g"
	 "i" "t" "a" "l" " " "D" "N" "C" " " "u"
	 "s" "e" "r" " " "i" "�" "P" "�" "." "V"
	 "�" "�" "�" "" "
" "�" "H" "�" "u" "="
	 "." "�" "S" "$" "�" "H" "�" " " "�" "�"
	 "W" "�" "'" "H" "H" "�" "j"
Checksum:  "�" = 132 (dec)
Sending...
Message number: 2 (dec)	Length: 3 (dec)
Message type: N (NAK)
Checksum:  "5" = 21 (dec)
Attempting to receive
Received...
Message number: 2 (dec)	Length: 80 (dec)
Message type: D (Data)
Optional data:

	 "~" "f" "O" "�" "" "
" "#" "J" "!" " "
	 "M" "M" "S" " " "f" "i" "l" "e" " " "f"
	 "o" "r" " " "t" "h" "e" " " "D" "i" "g"
	 "i" "t" "a" "l" " " "D" "N" "C" " " "u"
	 "s" "e" "r" " " "i" "�" "P" "�" "." "V"
	 "�" "�" "�" "" "
" "�" "H" "�" "u" "="
	 "." "�" "S" "$" "�" "H" "�" " " "�" "�"
	 "W" "�" "'" "H" "H" "�" "j"
Checksum:  "�" = 132 (dec)
Sending...
Message number: 2 (dec)	Length: 3 (dec)
Message type: N (NAK)
Checksum:  "5" = 21 (dec)
Attempting to receive
Received...
Message number: 2 (dec)	Length: 80 (dec)
Message type: D (Data)
Optional data:

	 "~" "f" "=" "." "#" "M" "#" "J" "!" " "
	 "M" "M" "S" " " "f" "i" "l" "e" " " "f"
	 "o" "r" " " "t" "h" "e" " " "D" "i" "g"
	 "i" "t" "a" "l" " " "D" "N" "C" " " "u"
	 "s" "e" "r" " " "i" "" "P" "�" "." "V"
	 "�" "�" "�" "" "
" "�" "H" "�" "u" "="
	 "." "�" "S" "$" "�" "H" "�" " " "�" "�"
	 "W" "�" "'" "H" "H" "�" "j"
Checksum:  "�" = 132 (dec)
Sending...
Message number: 2 (dec)	Length: 3 (dec)
Message type: N (NAK)
Checksum:  "5" = 21 (dec)
Attempting to receive
Sending...
Message number: 2 (dec)	Length: 3 (dec)
Message type: N (NAK)
Checksum:  "5" = 21 (dec)
Attempting to receive
Received...
Message number: 2 (dec)	Length: 80 (dec)
Message type: D (Data)
Optional data:

	 "~" "f" "=" "." "#" "M" "#" "J" "!" " "
	 "S" "S" "*" "@" "�" "q" "l" "e" "0" "�"
	 "�" "�" "�" "�" "�" "�" """ "�" "" "g"
	 "i" "t" "a" "l" " " "D" "N" "C" " " "u"
	 "s" "e" "r" " " "i" "" "P" "�" "." "V"
	 "�" "�" "�" "" "
" "�" "H" "�" "u" "="
	 "." "�" "S" "$" "�" "H" "�" " " "�" "�"
	 "W" "�" "'" "H" "H" "�" "j"
Checksum:  "�" = 132 (dec)
Sending...
Message number: 2 (dec)	Length: 3 (dec)
Message type: N (NAK)
Checksum:  "5" = 21 (dec)
Attempting to receive
Sending...
Message number: 2 (dec)	Length: 3 (dec)
Message type: N (NAK)
Checksum:  "5" = 21 (dec)
Attempting to receive
Sending...
Message number: 2 (dec)	Length: 3 (dec)
Message type: N (NAK)
Checksum:  "5" = 21 (dec)
Attempting to receive
Received...
Message number: 2 (dec)	Length: 4 (dec)
Message type: G (Generic KERMIT command)
Optional data:

	 "F"

Checksum:  "6" = 22 (dec)
Sending...
Message number: 2 (dec)	Length: 3 (dec)
Message type: N (NAK)
Checksum:  "5" = 21 (dec)



   I need help !!!

  Thank you for your support.

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
1186.1		PLDVAX::SMCAFEE	Steve McAfee	`Fri Feb 19 1988 10:15`	3
	Did you try putting kermit into "server" mode. This always works for me...
1186.2	tried server no go	CAMTWO::ARENDT		`Fri Feb 19 1988 13:05`	4
	re .1 Yep I tried that too and got the same result. Any other ideas ?
1186.3	Is the LAT stopping you?	PRNSYS::LOMICKAJ	Jeff Lomicka	`Fri Feb 19 1988 13:54`	19
	Aha! I noticed that your terminal is an LTAn: device. This means that you are using a LAT server of some sort. The question I have is "Which LAT server are you using?". The early LAT servers that run on PDP-11's did not perform flow control on incoming data, and were easily overrun by attempts at performing "upload" file transfers. What is the banner that you get before the "Username" prompt of the LAT? Does it prompt "LAT>" or "Local>"? If you have a bonified DECServer, try SET FLOW XON, or SET PASSALL. (One of them will be correct, the other will be totally wrong.) If your prompt is "LAT>", you may be stuck with an old LAT-11 server. If this is the problem, find a different dialup line that is direct, or enters a legitimate DECServer(-100, -200, or -500) that can handle the incoming data rate of a file transfer. Another common problem with DECServers and file trasfers is that you may have a "local" character or a "forward" character. Be sure to tell the DECSercver SET FORWARD NONE and SET LOCAL NONE before proceeding with the file transfer.
1186.4	Did you try XMODEM?	LOWLIF::DAVIS	That's not a BUG, it's a FEATURE!	`Fri Feb 19 1988 16:34`	9
	re .3 Good suggestions by Jeff, however I connect through a DECserver that works just fine for up/downloading. My server port is set for FLOW CONTROL and is not set PASSALL. Have you tried XMODEM? (I know that's avoiding the problem, I just was wondering if it bombed out too!) ...richard
1186.5	However?	PRNSYS::LOMICKAJ	Jeff Lomicka	`Thu Feb 25 1988 10:31`	8
	>Good suggestions by Jeff, however I connect through a DECserver that works >just fine for up/downloading. My server port is set for FLOW CONTROL and >is not set PASSALL. Obvioulsy you don't set any forward or local characters, and are using a TRUE DECserver, and not a LAT-11 server. The LAT-11 servers don't give you any flow control options - they just take the data overruns and crash your session.