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    Piece of cake... RUNBACK was written just for that purpose.
    
    RUNBACK will launch a new task and return the original CLI prompt
    without invoking the RUN command.  This was done to eliminate having
    the first CLI opened from WorkBench as task number 17 or some such.
    
    If you put RUNBACK >nil: NEWTASK in your startup-sequence, it will
    supress the RUNBACK message.
    
    Look in LEDS3::USER6:[ACCIARDI.AMIGA]
    

    Errrr.... just remembered that I purged RUNBACK a while back.  I'll
    re-upload it tonight.
    
    Ed.

It has been my experience that conman only works on subsequent CLI's opened,
so that I have to ENDCLI >NIL:  then NEWCLI >NIL: FROM Mumble....
in order to make it work.

Is there an easier way?

Robb

(ps: RUNBACK can also be found on the FACCII distribution disk as well, and
is well worth the $30)

    Short of using RUNBACK, I think you can achieve the desired effect
    with:
    
    RUN >NIL: <NIL: SNIPIT >NIL: <NIL:
    
    The idea is to see to it that neither RUN nor SNIPIT are holding
    onto a file handle for the CLI's window, so that when the CLI goes
    

    			-<all's fine now>-
    
    Put runback in my startup-sequence file, works like a champ.  Thanks
    for the upload Ed.  By the way I also added ecsk (combination echo
    and ask command), now I can selectivly add the tools I want at bootup.
    
    Steve
    

    I plan on uploading a new utility called Mach12.  This one is really
    slick; one short command gives you...
    
    *  Screenblanking with defineable timeout
    
    *  Mouse accelerator; mouse cursor motion is proportional to
       acceleration as well as displacement, just like GPX.
    
    *  Defineable hotkeys
    
    *  Click-to-front; like Macintosh, clicking anywhere within a window
       brings that window to the top.
    
    *  SunMouse; merely positioning the cursor over a window makes that
       window active.
    
    All these features may be turned on or off at will.
    Look for it this weekend in LEDS3::USER6:[ACCIARDI.AMIGA]MACH12.ARC
    
    Ed.
    

    Still looking for it...(Mach12)
                                   
    Randy
    

    Sorry, I forgot... I'll do it tonight.
    
    I must have accidently changed my shirt or something and lost my
    list of things to do note. :^)
    

    MACH12.arc is now showing at LEDS3::USER6:[ACCIARDI.AMIGA].
    Don't miss it!
    
    
    Ed.
    

Sorry to say this 'cause I've been looking forward to this but the copy of
MACH12 gives me an :
	Unable to load mach: file is not an object module
in response to run mach both under shell 2.07 and CLI. I de-arced on the VAX
as I have with hundreds of files and Kermit-ed down in image mode the renamed
mach. to mach 

The only other things going on on my system at the time are VT100 2.6 and the
ASDG-RRD. 

Am I missing something obvious?

Dick

    
    Thanks Ed.
    
    Only 6212 bytes.  Not much bigger than Popcli!
    
    - steve mcafee

Runs fine if I de-ARC on the Amiga. Must be some subtle incompatability
with the arc I'm using on the VAX.

Many thanks,
Dick

    
    One thing I just noticed though.  There doesn't seem to be any way to
    modify what happens for the Amiga-Escape (or Alternate-Escape)
    sequence.  It always does a "NewCLI".  My left-amiga-esc sequence does
    a "NEWCLI FROM cli-startup". Guess I'll have to map this to one of the
    function key hotkeys.  I know I'm going to be hitting that
    left-Amiga-Escape for sometime! 
    
    - steve

	Many thanks for posting this, it was everything I expected and more.
	The screen blanker alone will probably save me a monitor in the long
	run as I have been in the habit of turning it off and on all the time
	to save the screen.  The click-to-front and automatic window 
	activation should have been part of C-A's product as it gives me a 
	larger target to aim at and makes the windowing environment a
	pleasure to work with.

	I haven't played with all the other options yet, but this ranks up
	there with DBW's VT100 and ASDG's RRD as software I think leaves
	the commercial products in the dust.

	Thank's again,
	Dick 

    I think that if CBM had any brains, they'd work out a deal to buy
    the rights to Snipit and Mach12 and include them as part of the
    system software for 1.3.
    
    Have any of you used Snipit yet?  That has got to be the greatest!
    last week, I downloaded a text dump of a huge spreadsheet done in
    Decalc.  I wanted to work at home, but couldn't stand the slow response
    at 1200 baud.  Plus, I wanted to use the outstanding graphing
    capabilities of Maxiplan Plus.
    
    So, I just opened up an ED screen with the Decalc listing on it
    and 'snipped' these huge equations off one at a time, and then toggled
    screens and inserted them into Maxiplan.  I guess I saved a whole
    day's worth of re-typing in equations.
    
    I also sent a check to Scott Evernden for Snipit.  Remember, these
    guys put in some long hours hacking out these aids, so if you use
    them, send them a few bucks for their troubles.

I've used Snipit.  This feature is now on the VAXstations and I wouldn't
be without it. Imagine my surprise seeing it for Amiga!

John

RE:< Note 984.5 by MPGS::PILEEKI >

Is there a copy of ECSK floating around the system?  This sounds like
exactly what I've been looking for.

Dick

Re: .13

>    One thing I just noticed though.  There doesn't seem to be any way to
>    modify what happens for the Amiga-Escape (or Alternate-Escape)
>    sequence.  It always does a "NewCLI".  My left-amiga-esc sequence does
>    a "NEWCLI FROM cli-startup".

	Who says you can't have it all!  I refused to give up the capability of
automatically ending up in the shell when I started a new cli.  I did want the
mouse acceleration, though, so I started Mach12 after starting PopCLI, and since
Mach12 uses Alt-ESC by default, PopCLI has answered the Amiga-ESC sequence every
time, putting me into the shell with my new CLI. 

	The command I used was "run Mach -5 -b00 -m".  (-b00 since I already
had PopCLI set to the interval I wanted.)

Mark

re:< Note 984.17 by SPIDER::LONG >
                       -< ECSK not anywhere I've looked >-

Dick,

	I'll upload it tonight.
Look in FOSTER::DUA1:[PILEEKI.AMIGA]


Steve

    re.6
    
    	Thanks ed for making this available.Its great! I've noticed
    some things that some may want to know...
    
    	For those of you who still do workbench, when you try to move
    an icon out of its window, it won't leave!!
    
    I've also tried to run "AIR WAR"(Thanks!!!) with mach running but no
    go!! It has to be disabled. But it's� no problem when you can disable
    and enable using hot keys!!
    
    
    Great program!!

RE: < Note 984.19 by FOSTER::PILEEKI >

Steve,

	Many thanks for the upload of ECSK. I am embarassed after seeing what 
it does that I didn't do this for myself a long time ago. It does make it easy
to conditionally set up your environment during a reboot. My startup sequence
now looks like an RSX sysgen :^}

Dick

Ed,

Thanks a lot for MACH12.  This is how it should have been in the first place!!

							...richard

    Ed...(re .6)
    
    Maybe I'm dense, but I just don't see the proportional to acceleration
    bit...All it seems to do (at least to me) is to divide the number
    of "clicks" seen during the move...very similar to the behavior
    found in changing the mouse constant in the prefs menu...no matter
    how fast I accel/move, and how slowly I return, a given distance
    on the pad == dist on the screen...
    
    Now I admit, it does do a lot (source would have been better...allow
    us to build the ultimate mouse tool box...) but I just don't think
    it adds any thing of value...(just my $.02...if I'm wrong..call
    me on it!)
    
    scott

    Y'know, after reading .23, I went and tried Quickmouse (found on
    Gizmos v2.0) and sure enuf, their mouse accelerator seems more like
    the Vaxstation effect, ie, if you accelerate the mouse quickly,
    the stroke needed to traverse the screen is reduced.
    
    I haven't heard any comments on Mach12 being broken in this regard,
    but who knows... 
    
    There is a new version called Mach14 on PLINK which I'll post here.
    It includes a tiny menu bar clock plus some extra stuff.
    

    For those of you who have not yet tried this with WordPerfect...
    
    Mach12 works great, but the programmers for WordPerfect obviously
    do not understand the Amiga Intuition environment. (Even the
    WordPerfect support person for the Amiga indicated that due to the
    PC/MS-DOS heritage of the product.... it probably never will really
    work as best as possible with WordPerfect). Not that I am complaining,
    just that Mach12 has fun switching back and forth between all of
    the WordPerfect windows. Just to make it even more interesting,
    WP tries to do some automatic switching for you at the same time
    (What a Mess!).
    
    Of course, the automatic window switching can be disabled, but that's
    half the fun with Mach12.
    
    Sigh, just goes to show TANSTAAFL lives!  (Translation: There Ain't
    No Such Thing As A Free Lunch).