Conference hydra::amiga_v1

I'm in for 50.

I've cross-posted this offer in the Atari conference, directing their
readership here if the want to place an order.  Perhaps someone should
do the same for MAC?

    That's a good price.
    
    Brad Waters 50

    Count me in for 50!
    
    John Riley

    
    50 sounds good to me as well.
    
    -Ray
    

    What's the arrangement for paying and picking up?

I'd like 25, please.  

Mike atari::reilly

    I guess Im in for 100...after all...can you ever get enough disks??

    Count me in for 25...how do I get them in Colorado Springs?
    
    BobW

I'll take 100.

    I'll take 25.  I may need more, but I'll post the other amount as
    a seperate order.

    I'll take 25 if you can work out the details of sending them to
    Colorado Springs.

    
    	I'll take 30, but I live in Puerto Rico. What arrangements can
    we do ?
    
    Miguel A. Alvarez

    I'm interested in 50, and I'm just in the next building so delivery
    is no problem.

    I'll take 75 (with labels I hope!)
    
    Robb Pfister

    I'm in for 50 if I can get it in LKG (Littleton, MA) or ZKO(Nashua
    NH)

    I'll take 100.

    -jim

	I'll take fifty.
    
    	Tom Senna

    As someone who has done similar purchases with 5.25" diskettes,
    I'd like to offer a couple of suggestions (I'm not ordering).
    
1.  The diskettes are usually packed in bulk rather than in nice, neat
    boxes of 5 or 10.  The 5.25" diskettes I received were poly-packed in
    units of 25.  I would *strongly* suggest that people order in units of
    25 or 50 so Dov isn't stuck with the thankless task of tearing apart
    the bulk packs for redistribution. 
    
2.  Unless the vendor *says* that labels, etc. are included, assume they
    aren't.  Particularly on cheap 5.25" diskettes, the add-on for labels
    and sleeves can negate a good portion of the discount price.  Labels,
    in particular, can be obtained through other sources in bulk.  It's
    worth asking how much extra the diskette vendor wants and balking if
    it's more than a penny a label.
    
3.  The price, including shipping, is to Dov's house, not yours.  I found
    that distribution of the diskettes I'd received was the single worst
    hassle.  I hesitated to put them into company mail, for obvious
    reasons.  Except for a few of the responses, it's hard to tell who
    lives/works where.  Please provide that information on new responses. 
    
4.  Don't fiddle with pennies.  Including labels and redistribution, try to
    provide a landed price per unit of 25 which is a round number.  I'd
    shoot at $28 ($1.12 ea), which is still a good price.  If you can beat
    it by the time everything's paid for, great!  Dov shouldn't get hurt by
    providing this service. 

5.  If anyone feels moved to change their order as a result of the above,
    *please* delete the old reply when a new one is inserted.
    
    Good luck!

    25, please, with labels.
    
    To: DEC in Shrewsbury
            or
        me in Brighton, MA
    
       mitch

50 Please.  I work in ZKO so picking them up should be
a pleasure.

..Dan

    50 for me too!
    
    Dick Bisson
    

Sign me up for 75  !!!!  Great Deal!!!

By the way, if you can get an 8x11" page of blank sticky backed label 
paper, there are several good PD programs to make fancy disk labels.
I'll UL the files if there is any interest.



John Bernard
DEC
205 Industrial Ave
Lowell, Ma.  01852

Mail Stop  LWO


By the way, if you are in the Lowell area, I'll pick up....


John

    GREAT DEAL SIGN ME UP FOR 50:
    
    JIM BURGESS
    235 WYMAN STREET
    WALTHAM, MA. 02154
    
    DTN: 221-5500 (OUTSIDE: AREA CODE 617-895-5500)
    
    SITE CODE WAO  no mail stop
    

    Hi
    
    I bought Bulk Sony's before, and they come individually wrapped.
    There are 100 in a case, and the case has 2 smaller boxes each holding
    50.
    
    There is exactly one label for each disk and the labels come in
    packets of 10.
    
    Things may have changed though... I bought them about 6 or 7 months
    ago.
    
    	--MIke
       

    Thanks to everyone for the enthusiastic response and good suggestions!
    
    1. Based on my experience with bulk 3.5" disks, they WILL arrive
    in 25 packs. Therefore, I will only distribute them in multiples
    of 25. Thanks Bill, for the suggestion.
    
    2. I don't know if they will include labels, but will ask. In my
    experience, they do, because 3.5" are not down to the low margin
    of 5.25" disks. I will find out soon. If not, we will come up with
    a source of good labels.
    
    3. I like the idea of a label printer. Please post that PD utility.
    Or tell me what Fish disk it's on.
    
    4. Great idea cross posting this notice. We are well on the way
    to 2000 disks.
    
    5. I am willing to mail to Colorado, as long as you guys out there
    are prepared to pay the shipping collectively, and split the package
    up locally. Collectively, you have 200+ disks going out there, I
    think.
    
    6. I am willing to send a pack to Puerto Rico, but is it worth it?
    You'll have to pay shipping, remember. And sorry Miguel, 25 or 50, not
    30.
    
    7. As to the method of paying, I would expect everyone can send
    me a check made out to me. I will not cash the checks until ready
    to order. This is because it may take a while before I collect all
    the money. This will take time.
    
    8. My internal address is ZKO1-3/J10
    
    or by US SNAIL:
    
    Dov Kruger     
    203 Oak Hill Lane
    Nashua, NH 03062
    
    9. I will send out confirmation of those who have paid, and the
    amounts (probably post it) to give everyone an idea of how things
    progress, and make sure no one doesn't make it through mail error.
    
    That's all!
    
    dov
    
    

    I'll take 25.  Unfortunatly, I am in the process of moving from
    one site to another, so I'll get abck to you were to send them.
    					Rob

re:	.27

Unless you want real problems with corporate security (take it from one who
knows :-) do NOT send checks via internal mail... this is a MAJOR corporate
no no.

dave

Re: .27

>    1. Based on my experience with bulk 3.5" disks, they WILL arrive
>    in 25 packs. Therefore, I will only distribute them in multiples
>    of 25. Thanks Bill, for the suggestion.
    
I have ordered bulk Sony 3.5 disks twice.  Both times they came in cartons
of 100, with two boxes of 50 in the carton.

	Sign me up for 50 more for Colorado (CXO). For those of us
	paying additional shipping, will an exact price be available
	soon, or will you want $ as quoted for the time being?

	Thanks,
	Keith Yesse
	CXO1-2/M26

This is a reissue of my order with the requested additional info:

	50 please

	Paul Kyzivat
	MET-1/F3 (Marlboro, MA)
	   or
	33 Woodside Drive
	Bolton, MA 01740

I also agree with prior comments on packaging:  I bought 100 sony's
a few months ago, and they came as a case containing two boxes of 50.
The boxes are not solid enough to be shipped.  They also came with one
label per disk, but I don't recall how the labels were packed.

Perhaps orders should be restricted to units of 100 to a particular location, to
be broken up there.  You might even be able to get the supplier to partial ship
the order to different locations in those units.

Is the $28 per 25 the amount you want prepaid?

	50 for me please.

	Virendra Verma
	MRO1-3/E99 (Marlboro, MA)

Thanks

    
    RE .4:
    
    My 50 is still good but if there any other users in the Washington
    DC we should combine into one package.
    
    Ray Wickert
    Washington DC
    

    
    Put me down for 25.  I'm in Marlboro (LMO) but I could pick them
    up in MRO if there are many folks there getting a shipment.
    
    steve mcafee
    

I have voulnteered to ship floppies UPS to domestic sites that can't arrange
for pick-up in New England.

I weighed 25 floppies, and it is a bit over one pound.  So, for shipping
charges outside New England:

25 floppies	2 lbs
50 floppies	3 lbs
100 floppies	6 lbs
	(Extrapolate for larger orders at 3lbs per each 50.)

The UPS shipping charges from Maynard are as follows:

			2lb	3lb	6lb	12lbs
			(25)	(50)	(100)	(200)
Colorado Springs	$2.01	$2.36	$3.39	$5.46
Washington DC		$1.63	$1.80	$2.30	$3.31

UPS service to Puerto Rico is a real hassle - requiring a "standard commercial
invoice" and other attached paperwork, in a special envelope attached to the
outside of the package, so that excise taxes can be levied.  I would really
not like get involved in shipping there.

If your location is not listed above, send me mail and I will post rates
next Thursday.

My suggestion is that the shipping charges be included in your payment to
Dov, and I will collect shipping charges from him when I pick up floppies to
be shipped.

If you want to pool shipping charges, please do so locally and enter as one
order, and be sure you clearly indicate the shipping address!

Dov, does this sound okay to you?

Also, when should we start sending money?

Also, I would like to suggest that you establish a cut-off date for taking
orders, so we can get on with the ordering and shipping.

Does anybody have any ideas for shipping cartons?

    I'm in for 100 if you can UPS them to Seattle.
    
    -- Steve

re: .36

I would first find out how they will be packed by the vendor.  If they are in
Sony cases of 100 then those are suitable for shipping as-is.  Also, the vendor
may be willing to ship to multiple locations in those units.  Breaking down into
lots of 25 or 50 will require additional packaging.  Breaking down the labels
into lots of 25 may also be a pain.

Simplest solution would be to only ship whole cases to a location and let the
people there pool orders to whole cases.

	Paul

    Re. 36 ?? UPS charges ??   
    
     Jeff,                       
    
    	OK. Forget about my order for 25 disks. It might not be worth
    the hassle. Anyway thanks for finding out.
    
    Miguel A. Alvarez

In for 50.

Martin.

    I'll take 50.
    
    Vince Wallace (LKG1)
    

    I would like 50 diskettes, please.  I am in Merrimack, NH. MKO1

    I'll take 50
    
    Gary Vaillette
    ML1-3/U51
    

    Can I get 50, too?
    
    Yujen Juan
    NKS1-1/E3
    291-7248

    50 here too.
    
    Jim Collum
    WRO3-2/T8
    DTN 521-3438 ... (408) 496-3438 
    

    Sorry
    
    Due to legal hassles I will have to reject all checks sent through
    internal mail. My apologies to all this may inconvenience. If anyone
    has sent me $$$ by internal mail, send me mail (the electronic kind)
    indicating if you want me to burn/tear up/swallow or return your
    check. Food poisoning took me out yesterday, so I will try to get
    the information on the order tomorrow.
    
    dov

The following text was extracted from the archive file.  I printed out the
labels on both an Okimate-20 and a Star NX10.  Both turned out very nice.  This
is an alternative whether or not labels come with the disks.  My hand-writen
labels get hard to read after awhile.

Anyone know where to get the self adhesive sheets referred to in this text?

I'll upload this arc file if someone will point to an Amiga files repository
that I could send it to.  If not, I'll create a public area on my system
for pictures, clip art, whatever...

enjoy,

John

================================================================================

DPAINTLBL.ARC                                     DISK LABEL CONSTRUCTION SET



In this archive, you'll find LABEL-TEMPLATE, an IFF Hi-res ILBM screen.  It
contains 4 templates for creation of diskette labels on your printer.  Brief
docs are presented on the TEMPLATE screen.  You can use this to create high
quality disk labels on the labels that come with your disks, or on a sheet of
blank self-adhesive paper.  Using the blank self-adhesive stock is faster and
easier, but more expensive.  I would suggest using labels with removable
adhesive, like AVERY #S6496.  A box of 40 sheets costs about $5.25 and will
make you 80 disk labels.


PREPAIRING YOUR GRAPHICS

  The TEMPLATE file is a Hi-Res graphic that I use with Deluxe Paint.  In the
upper left corner is a sample label.  Along the right side are short
instructions.  Make yourself a work-template by deleting all the text on the
right. (Selecting color white and using a filled box makes it easy).  Save
this file as TEMPLATE in your HI-RES drawer.

  Labels are split into 3 areas.  On the top is the DISK NAME area.  Middle
is the DISK EDGE and bottom is the LABEL TEXT area.  I use the DISK NAME area
to write in the volume name of the disk.  It's an easy to use reminder of the
names I give to various disks.  On the DISK EDGE, I generally print 2 items.
On one side I put the application name and if it is a data disk, I'll include
what volume of data it is.  (IE: SUPERBASE      DATA 1).  On the DISK TEXT
area you can be creative or simply indicate the major application name.  Use
fancy fonts, shading your lettering or a special picture graphic or icon
you've created.  You'll also find a number of disk label graphics files on
GEnie, where this originated.  The disk label graphic files have lots of
icons, words in descriptive fonts that are pre-sized just for Disk Label
Construction Set.

  When you add your type to the DISK NAME and DISK EDGE areas, flip it upside
down, as shown in the example template.  This allows you to read a label when
it is in the drive.  Simply pick up the text as a brush and use the FLIP
commands to orient it properly.  If you are printing on labels that come with
your disks, remove the "protect" icon, as most have it preprinted on them.
Note the yellow strip running down the middle of the DISK EDGE area.  This is
an aid in centering for you.  If you use TOPAZ-8 type, simply center the text
line over the yellow area.  One pixel will hang over the top and bottom of
the stripe.  Magnify the example template to see this.  Once you have your
labels the way you want them, be sure to save the screen to disk.


PRINTING YOUR LABELS


USING BLANK STOCK (Avery style)

  This is easiest!  Just stick the sheet in and print.  When done, cut the
label out on the outline and apply to your disk.


USING PRE-PRINTED LABELS (that come with disks)

  This method is a little harder and much more inexpensive but far more
colorful.  Start by printing a blank template on good quality tractor feed
paper.  Use a pen and mark a reference point  on the sheet so you can feed it
back into the printer and re-align it to the same place.   I just mark a
couple of little alignment lines using the paper bail as a guide.  Now print
the template.  Advance the paper using the Line Feed button on the printer.
Avoid turning the paper feed handle manually as this tends to make it harder
to re-align.  Remove the sheet from the printer.  Using cellophane tape,
reenforce the perfs so they will  not easily tear (if you plan to use the
sheet again).  Take your disk labels and tape them over the outlines on the
sheet.  Be sure to tape both the left and right sides so the printhead won't
catch on them as it travels.  Tape down as many labels as you want to print.
Tape the backing paper down rather than the labels themselves.  Use care
here.  If you are not accurate when taping down the labels, they won't align
correctly.

  Inset the paper back into the printer, and feed it to the marks you made
for alignment.  Be sure your graphic file is loaded into Deluxe print and
"let-er-rip"!  If you have been careful with your alignment, it will print
exactly over the pre-printed labels.  When the printer is done, remove the
labels and you are done!  If you are careful, you can reuse the printed
template many times.


HINTS AND TIPS

* Set your printer thru PREFERENCES to Black & White rather than Grey Scale.
You can then adjust the Threshold so it will not print colors from the
template.  By setting it to a fairly low value, you won't print the yellow
alignment guide or the 2 red section seperators.  If you are printing on
stock disk labels, color the border of each label template yellow.  This
allows you to see the outline for creating your label, but it won't print.

* Use a "ScreenSaver" to capture an IFF file of a title screen from your
programs.  Load the IFF file into Deluxe Paint and save a graphic from the
title as a brush.  When you load your template file, simply recall the brush
and paste on your disk template.

* If you plan on doing a lot of labels using pre-printed diskette labels, get
your template sheet laminated.  Discount houses sell sheets of clear plastic
(very thin) that you can apply over the templates.  This makes it easier to
tape down labels and remove them again.

* Reenforce the perfs using tape or laminate.  It will help save your
template and make for easier alignment.



NOTE:  The print sizes here are based on using Deluxe Print with an Epson
RX-80 printer, EPSON selected in Preferences and using the printer driver
"fixed" with EPSONFIX.  Your output may be different, depending on your
printer.




Look for "clip-art" files on GEnie in the *StarShip* Amiga.  There is a file
of pictures and text designed for labels included in this archive.  As I
create more, they will be posted for you to download.  If you make up any
labels that you think are something special, feel free to upload them for
everyone.  If you have any comments or questions you may E-MAIL me at
GRAFIX.M on GEnie, or GRAFIX on Delphi.  Enjoy!!

Mike Hooper

    I have created a similar thing with DeluxePaint.  It is a template
    that creates labels just like the Commodore/Amiga one's, with the
    big rainbow colored double check logo on white.  It is a Interlace
    Res IFF file, using 32 colors.  If there is enough interest, I could
    try to upload the file for others to use.
    
    I use my Juki color printer to print them out, and use double stick
    tape to mount them on the disks.  The colors come pretty close to
    the original labels.
    
    	Randy
    
    

UPS to seattle:

	2lbs	3lbs	6lbs
	$2.16	$2.57	$3.82

    OK!
    
    I'd like to get the show on the road if possible. So let me state
    the current state of affairs. In view of the size of the order,
    the price will be $1.07 per disk, unless so many people drop out
    that it becomes impossible. I still haven't called the place back
    to find out whether labels are included, BUT i have tried dealing
    with Sony direct. It looks good, and we could save substantially.
    I will keep you posted. I would suggest everyone get checks to me
    though, and any refund can be made when you pick up the disks. After
    all, I started this mess because I needed disks....
    
    If there are any problems yet unsolved, post them. Otherwise, start
    sending them checks!
    
    dov

I'll take 50	(hope I'm not too late)

Roy Lomicka

home: 23 Regina Dr. Chelmsford, MA 01824

office: MLO1-3/U51

    Colorado Folks...
    
    I'll act as the focus for collecting funds at CXO and distributing
    the disks when they arrive.  Contact me at COOKIE::withers.  Once
    I know who is getting what and how much we owe Dov, I'll fire off
    a cheque in his direction.  You can then reimburse me.  Please send
    me mail as I won't be around these haunts until Wednedsay (11.4.87).
    
    Dov...
    
    As far as Keith Yesse and I know, there's J_PARSONS.  I'm in for
    25 and Keith is in for 50.  Please tell me whom else I need to worry
    about.  Keith figures 50 costs $56 including shipping.
                                                                        
    
    Regards,
    BobW

DPaintLbl.arc is available on MVCAD::USER0:[AMIGA.ARC]     (thanks Scott..)

This is the 3 1/2" diskette label templates and clipart image.  Instructions
are on the images.  You will need Show or ShowPrint  etc. to view these.
They are hi res.   You will need a "paint" program to change/modify/customize
these for your use.

enjoy..

John

Is it too late to sign up for 50?

	Mike Anderson
	(TLE::ANDERSON)
	ZKO2-3/N30

    Ok!
    
    The checks have begun to roll in. I've already got 6 or 7. I will
    wait 'til Friday, then post a list of all those whose checks I have
    received so you know I got it.
    
    I am setting a deadline in the interests of getting the disks soon.
    While I can be persuaded to change it for a good reason, I do want
    those disks, so.... GET THE CHECKS IN BY NOV. 17th PLEASE! That
    gives you 14 days. Just in case any of you don't follow the notesfile
    regularly, I will send mail to all of you as soon as I can find
    time to make a list out of the names.
    
    For those who don't like to read previous replies, the price is
    curently $1.07 although I may be able to do better by going to Sony
    directly. I am currently dealing with them, but they are interested
    in LARGE quantities, and this would basically be a favor.
    
    The price is therefore $53.50 per 50, $107 per 100. For those who
    have sent more, you will get cash or a check back from me with those
    disks if you have overpaid.
    
     

    great, i'll take 100
    will mail the check tonight.
    
    Dave Brannon
    LKG1-3/B19
    Littleton, MA
    dtn 226-7466  
    
    I live in Tewksbury, MA, could pick it up in ZKO or Nashua.
    
    Thanks,
    -Dave
    

    re: .53
    
    MVCAD??  that node isn't in my node's database, what is the node
    number?  Or is that a typo for MVCAD3?
    
    (i tried MVCAD3::USER0:[AMIGA.ARC], found DPaintLbl.arc, but got
     a file protection error when i tried to copy it)
    
    -dave

    I'll reset protection right now....scott
    

    
    Please put me down for 100. Thanks
    
    Don Carlson
    6 Green Street
    Oakdale, MA 01539
    

    Please - I'll take 100.
    
    Joe Fries
    MR01-2/S43
    

    For those who have not yet sent in your checks. I repeat, Nov. 17
    is the deadline. ALSO NOTE: We are going through Sony. The price
    is now $1.05 per disk, INCLUDING SHIPPING.
    
    Working hard on this!
    dov
    
    My address, once again, is:
    
    Dov Kruger
    203 Oak Hill Lane
    Nashua, NH 03062
    
    The price is now $52.50 per 50, $105 per hundred (for all you math
    majors)

I am going to assume $1.05 only includes shipping to Nashua.  If you wish me
to UPS your floppies to other places, you must also include the appropriate
shipping secondary shipping changes.

I have located what is, I think, an adequete number of reasonable sized
corrogated cardboard containers for secondary shipping.  (Hanging around
trash containers is a profitable activity.)

    Note about pricing --
    
    When I said including shipping, that does not, of course, include
    shipping to your site if you require additional shipping.
    
    dov

    What is the final word on labels? yes? no? maybe?

    You know, I didn't ask. But this is the standard Sony bulk packs,
    2 boxes with 50 each (possibly 2 shrink-wrapped 25 packs in each
    one) and every time they have come with labels. But I WILL check
    this time.
    
    dov

    So, as a matter of curiosity, what was the final count?
    
    BobW
    

    The final count is kind of hazy. I never did compute it. The vague
    part comes from friends in NJ who have not yet said exactly how
    many they want. However, I and a good friend are absorbing as much
    of the overhead as necessary, so the order size is 2400. Having
    received a call from Sony a few days ago, I now expect the order
    to come in some time next week.
    
    For all those who have NOT received confirmation from me (there
    are only a couple) PLEASE send me mail. I want to be sure there
    are no nasty surprises in store for anyone.
    
    Hang on! They're almost here!
    
    dov

    The disks are <IN>
    
    I will be distributing early next week (probably Tuesday and
    Wednesday).
    
    If you are in ZKO, of course, you are free to come and get'em!
    
    I regret that I am going to NJ this weekend, so I won't be home
    to give you your disks even if you wanted to pick them up.
    
    Incidentally, there are NO labels that I can see. I am looking into
    some (just buying labels in large quantity). If I can get enough
    over the weekend, I will distribute them with the disks.
    
    dov

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Path: decwrl!pyramid!hplabs!sdcrdcf!trwrb!trwspf!knurlin
Subject: 2 3/4" x 2" labels found (Thanks for the help.)
Posted: 4 Jan 88 18:46:19 GMT
Organization: TRW - Data Systems Lab., Redondo Beach, CA
 
In case anyone's interested, I found a source for
2 3/4" x 1 15/16" labels for the fronts of 90mm disks.
It is:
 
     Anthropomorphic Systems, Ltd
     376 E. St. Charles Rd
     Lombard, IL 60148
     (800) 332-5699
 
They cost $44.96 per box of 5,000.
(I have no connection with this company other than
receiving their catalog.)
 
 
-- 
-- Scott Karlin
   TRW, Bldg O2-1761, One Space Park, Redondo Beach, CA 90278
   USENET:  [email protected]     Phone:  (213) 535-3785
            {sdcrdcf, scgvaxd, ucbvax}!trwrb!trwspf!knurlin

    
    Well, I've received my 50 so I'd like to take the time to thank
    Dov for his work on this order. It takes a lot of time and patience
    to handle something like this and Dov did a great job on it!
    
    Thanks!
    
    -Ray
    

    Re .70   I'll second that!  Thanks, Dov.

    Will someone be building a second order at some point?
    Thanks.