Conference hydra::amiga_v1

    Someone thanks you :-)
    
    dov

    
    I think you mean KAH, not KHA

    Sory, my speling is usuaualy prety good.
    

    Hmmm ... that takes the prize for animations!!!
    
    Too bad there isn't a clacker sound in the background.

    Will this one run in 512K by any chance? I tried it and it didn't
    work so it'd be nice to know if I'm doing something wrong or if
    it's a lost cause.

    I did run it with a 512k machine. However, the first time I tried
    it didn't work, the introductory message would come up, but after
    hitting a key to start it would return me to the workbench screen.
    
    Believing it needed more memory ( I had popcli and other things
    in memory), I rebooted without loading anything to memory and it
    worked. 
    
    This demo is great !! Thanks Ed. 

    
    It ran fine for me the first time. It returns to the workbench screen
    but then starts doing the display after a few seconds.
    
    

    I downloaded the demo last night. It runs fine... but when I exit
    the demo after running it from CLI, I get a task held and then
    a guru. Also, if I run it from Workbench, the drive light stays
    lit until I exit the program, but it doesn't crash like when
    running from the CLI.
    
    Should I try downloading it again?
    

    Sounds like a unique problem.  Maybe another download is in order.
    
    As usual, if anyone just absolutely can't get the download to work,
    and cannot continue living a meaningful existance without having
    seen the demo, send me a blank disk and I'll copy it for you.
    
    Ed.
    

    worked great on my 2000, nicely done, thanks for posting it!
    
    only one thing missing --- sound!  Have you heard if either Videoscape or
    Sculpt have plans to put in hooks in their players for optional
    sound effects?
    
    -dave

    Long time ago, before I ever thought of owning an Amiga, I was at
    my friends house (who owned and owns an Amiga) and we were playing
    around on Bulletin board systems.  It was Christmas time and we
    were sick and tired of Commercials trying to get us to buy things
    for other people (we had already done that).  We saw that there
    was a new demo called "Juggler."  We decided to download it.  After
    an hour, it didn't work.  Remember how some of the machines on
    USENET got a bad version.  Anyhow, a day or two later, we got a
    working version.  After seeing it, I was upset.  I thought it was
    going to be a real fabulous demo.  It was far better then any other
    Micro could do, but for some sick reason, I wasn't impressed.
    
    Now HERE THIS.  From the guy who was not impressed by Juggler...
    
    	THE KAHNANKAS DEMO IS THE MOST INCREDIBLE THING THAT ONE COULD
    POSSIBLY STICK IN LESS THEN 512K.
    
    	--Mike
    
    PS:  I never met Eric Graham or anyone from Byte by Byte....  These
    were and truly are my opinions.

    I was impressed by the Juggler demo: I know how hard it is to do
    that kind of thing.  My wife, however, wasn't impressed.  She was
    impressed (as I was) by the Kahnankas demo, I think because it looks
    much more realistic.  My kids also liked it.
    
    I spent Thursday and Friday evenings down-loading it using Kermit
    at 300 bps.  It was definitely worth the wait.
        John Sauter

    This is one fantastic demo, however I can only get it to work from
    CLI.  When I go to Execute "execute.me" I get some strange message
    that it cant rename the kahnankas.info file.
    
    Steve
    

    Steve, I got the same garbled 'EXECUTE.ME'.
    
    Just rename the garbled text to KAHNANKAS.INFO.  It will now run
    from workbench.
    

    You need only two file ...
    
        Kahnankas   
        Movie
    
    From CLI just type 
    
        Movie Kahnankas
    
    
    
    Now, where's the clacking sound to make this a truly GREAT demo?

    RE; Clacking sound...
    
    Gee, The Amiga is a multitasking machine.  Just make a short program
    that clacks every so often.
    
    	--Mike

re:	Movie, Kahnankas

Ok... here's my 2 cents (after playing with them ALL weekend):

1)	Yes, the demo is neat and DEFINITLY the best I've seen yet.

2)	The movie program itself is a piece of CR*P! It will crash on all
	SORTS of situations and I would NEVER "release" anything that is
	that ``delicately demonstratable''. The rest of the points are
	problems/solutions. Please feel free to pass on to Eric (if anyone
	is on the same nets as him).

3)	It can't handle ILBM files that are less than 320 on a line. This means
	that you can't to a little 40x40 pixel sketch-mode movie to see if you
	even like what you're going to get.

4)	If you type Amiga-M,N during startup (to see what's going on) you can
	crash the world.

5)	If you try to do a picture >= 400 lines vertically it will blow up.

6)	The documentation is a little confusing.. if you have a pilbm file
	like this everything will work:

		foo.movie	- title of movie file
		f0.ilbm		- base image
		f01.dilbm	- delta from base image to next image
				- blank to remind you that the NEXT is file 1
		f02.dilbm	- delta's needed (see section after "*")
		f13.dilbm
		f24.dilbm
		f35.dilbm
		f40.dilbm
		f51.dilbm
		*		- Buffers:	0*	1	*=showing
		1 5		- Buffers:	2	1* <----+
		2 5		- Buffers:	2*	3	|
		3 5		- Buffers:	4	3*	|
		4 5		- Buffers:	4*	5	|
		5 5		- Buffers:	0	5*	|
		6 5		- Buffers:	0*	1	|
		1 -1		- Buffers:	2	1*  ----+

	Note that in this example I had an EVEN number of files (0-5) if you
	have an odd number you will have to show them twice (so that the
	buffers get back to their starting points) before you can jump
	back.

Changes made to DBW_Render V2.0 to make it work:

	A new option was added to the program (-t table-file) which allows
	you to force the colormap to whatever you want it to be. It turns
	out that the difference program will NOT allow you to delta two
	pictures that do NOT have the same colormap (this of course makes
	sense). Here is what I did to make a "movie":

1) 	Run my frames in sketch mode to see if they were ok.

2)	Do my frames in full screen (minus one line) mode.

3)	Run the middle frame of the loop through the last phase of ray
	to get a color table.

4)	create a color table file from the info in step 3.

5)	Run all the frames through the last phase using the colormap from
	step 4.

6)	dilbm them.

7)	pilbm them.

8)	take a look at the result.

So far I have made a "movie" of a spinning torus and am working on a
``fly by'' of the old BRICK image. I'll consider posting it when I get
it done.

All the best,
dave

    There has been lots of buzzing on Plink over the weekend confirming
    what .17 found;  PILBM and DILBM are 'caca' to put it mildly.
    
    The movie viewer does work, but I wasn't fired up enough to mess
    around with the other stuff.
            
    Frankly, I'm puzzled; I thought that Byte by Byte was going to release
    a commercial animation program.  I really don't understand why they're
    releasing buggy PD versions.
    
    Ed