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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

636.0. "Pround parent of a 500 -- HELP!" by UFP::WICKERT (Ray Wickert - MAA Worksystems Consultant) Thu Aug 06 1987 12:24

    
    Well, I went out last night and picked up a 500!
    
    I decided to get the 500 because 1) the dealer was willing to deal
    amd met the mail-order price halfway in the middle 2) I would have
    had to wait several weeks for a 1000R and 3) I decided I needed
    to strike while the iron was hot (or more to the heart of the matter
    - while the wife's pocketbook was open, if you know what I mean)
    
    Now, the fun begins!!
    
    The first thing I need (other than several games) is a KERMIT so
    I can start downloading. I know there's a version of KERMIT for the
    Amiga (I'm in the middle of plowing through the 600 odd notes of
    this conference but that's going to take several days at least)
    but is there a way to get it loaded from a VAX? Or am I going
    to have to send someone a disk? It would seem there are several
    commercial available versions of Kermit and VT100 emulators but
    my experience is that you can get a better version of both of thoses
    for free!
    
    
	-Ray
    
    
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636.1kermitermitkrmitkemitkeritkermZ::TENNYDave Tenny | DTN 225-6089Thu Aug 06 1987 14:2716
	1.) Kermit on the Amiga

	I use Dave Wecker's VT100 program.  This handles the kermit protocol.
	You'll probably have to get this from someone on disk, unless
 	you have something (xmodem,kermit) to download it with.
	I know theres a pointer to it in this conference.

	2.) Kermit on the vax

	Copy/(trivially)edit the .com/.exe files from my machine.
	z::lispw$:[tenny.dcl]kermit.com
	z::lispw$:[tenny.exe]kermit.exe

	I use this combination all the time with 100% success.
Dave
636.2my 2 cents worthELWOOD::WHERRYCyber PunkThu Aug 06 1987 14:2959
    	As far as what I have used, Online, DBW's vt100 v2.*, Dave Wecker's
    has been the absolute best vt100 emulator that i have run across.
    plus his emulator does kermit protocol transfers.  I have had no
    trouble using it download/upload to vaxes, dec 20's and pdp-11's...
    So in my opinion his is probably the best, and it is pd,
    (shareware??)...
    
    	As to getting it to a machine in the first place, this problem was 
    originally solved by writing basic (yech!) programs to do file
    transfers using
    the xmodem checksum/crc protocols.  Checksum is exceedingly simple.
    The only problem is that amiga-dos expects images to be in a certain
    format to use them..."The Hunking factor".  Fortunately, programs
    were made available called Fix-hunk or Fix-obj which would take
    an xmodem'ed file and remove the padding.  Both of these programs
    were created and then modified to fit exactly in xmodem packets
    without padding.  
    
    	Also, there is a program called arc (it is available
    for many machines.  Arc preforms space compressions and other little
    things to files, to be used for file-transfers and to keep data
    integrity.  The ARC exectuable also fits exactly in the xmodem-packets
    so there is no padding and will execute.  If you download an 
    arc'ed file using some protocol, and then de-arc the file, your
    file will come out to the right length (ie: you don't have to use
    fix-obj or fix-hunk et al).  From my experience, 1.8 years with
    the amiga, ARC is the preferred method for transfering files. ie:
    ARC the file on one end, use your favorite (or available) file
    transfer method, and then DE-ARC it on the other end.
    
    order of operations,
    
    get a hold of some basic program to do simple file transfers
    (available on Compuserve (for sure), Plink (??), here (??)
    
    and then use it to download arc, then download vt100. etc.
    
    OR
    
    if you live within 40 minutes of Wellesly, Ma. I would suggest going
    to the Memory location to see what PD software, they have, a lot
    of FISH disks (Fish Disks are collections of PD software or shareware
    put togehter by a guy name FRED FISH...See the Comp_Sys_AMIGA
    notesfile).
    
    OR
    
    Check to see what sort of PD disks the dealear has, any reasonable
    dealer is always willing to trade and let customers copy PD software.
    
                                                                         
    This doesn't really tell you how to get it from the VAX, but it
    should give you some ideas...  Just for curiousities sake, where
    are you?  It is quite possible that someone in your plant already
    owns an amiga and could be willing to lend/copy for you a disk,
    with telecom type software on it....Anyone?
    
    brad
    
636.3BAGELS::BRANNONDave BrannonThu Aug 06 1987 18:167
    i agree with .2, the easiest way to get started is to find an Amiga
    owner near you, you might be suprised by how many Amiga owners
    are lurking in the woodwork around DEC facilities.
    
    so... where are you located?
    
    -dave
636.4Found a donar!UFP::WICKERTRay Wickert - MAA Worksystems ConsultantFri Aug 07 1987 12:099
    
    I've managed to locate someone down here in Washington DC who is
    willing to supply me with a disk today. So, I should be up and xfering
    files tonight! I can see my phone lines melting over the weekend!
    
    Thanks for the advice,
    
    Ray