Title: | AMIGA NOTES |
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Moderator: | HYDRA::MOORE |
Created: | Sat Apr 26 1986 |
Last Modified: | Wed Feb 05 1992 |
Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
Number of topics: | 5378 |
Total number of notes: | 38326 |
I posted this in the GAMES notesfile and then decided that you guys could provide futher insight into the AMIGA. Anyone out there with experience in available wargames? Thanks, Ray <<< PICA::SYSD$:[NOTES$LIBRARY]GAMES.NOTE;1 >>> -< -- Games -- >- ================================================================================ Note 610.0 A good wargame machine? 1 reply UFP::WICKERT "Ray Wickert - MAA Worksystems Consult" 40 lines 13-JUL-1987 10:40 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am in the market for a PC, primarily to play games! I'm told it's unusual to have someone admit that's what it going to be used for! The primary type of game I'm interested is a strategic simulation, in other words, a wargame. Infocom type games aren't what I'm looking for, as aren't arcade style games either. I'm tired of sorting counters and looking for opponents with traditional board games. However, I need the same "feel" as a boardgame in the components, such as maps and detail. I've come to the conclusion, not a very difficult one either, that things like C64s and Apple IIs don't have enough power for the types of games I'm planning on using. A 16 bit machine with good graphics is the minimum. Anyone out there using their PC for these types of games? I have 3 choices -- a IBM PC with a graphics board, a MACINTOSH or an AMIGA. The price isn't a problem with any of the 3. They're all under or around $2K and with the amount I spend on boardgames that isn't a problem (to me that is, not necessaryly my wife!) Any comments on the 3 mentioned systems? A MAC is nice; what few games I've been able to find have done a great job with the maps but that small screen is a pain. The Amiga does a fine job as well but isn't quite as sharp; color might make up for that. PCs are another breed entirely. The problem here is that when a game is done for a PC you never know what type of graphics board it requires and most seem to be using the lowest resolution available. Anyone have feelings on where game producers are going? Are they going to write (and use all the features) of the MAC or the Amiga? -Ray ps I've got a Rainbow now and a VAXstation at work so I don't think I need a system to "learn" on!
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594.1 | from a former wargamer | NULL::TORNHEIM | Tue Jul 14 1987 14:46 | 27 | |
A few years ago I used to be a serious gamer myself. As others in this conference will agree, the Amiga is a step above most other PCs when it comes to games, especially graphics intensive games. There doesn't seem to be gobs of wargames available, but I haven't really looked very hard yet. I did just buy Silent Service, a sub game, and found it to be one of the better strategy games for the Amiga. It has a good balance of interesting graphics & sounds, quick decsion making and simple tactics. One feature is its use of many levels of maps. With each level is more detail to a point where you'd think there wasn't enough memory. The trick is that it uses Fractal patterns to draw the coast lines. The pamphlet that came with Silent Service had a list of some other strategy games that looked reasonable. I have heard of one wargame, Kampfgruppe, which is supposed to have been one of the best selling games for the C64 a few years back. It will probably be my next purchase for the Amiga. I'm still waiting for someone to write computer versions of all those Avlon Hill games like Rail Baron, Panzerblitz, Panzer leader, 3rd Reich, War at Sea, Victory in the Pacific, Wooden Ships and Iron Men, Allies... What kinds of wargames interest you? armor battles, fantasy games, napoleonics, sea battles, campaign games, futuristic spaceship battles? | |||||
594.2 | WWII and Modern Era | UFP::WICKERT | Ray Wickert - MAA Worksystems Consultant | Tue Jul 14 1987 17:25 | 17 |
To begin, I'm most interested in WWII and modern era games. I just saw a demo of Panther Games "Fire Brigade" that looks great! They only did it for the Amiga and the MAC so they weren't dragged down by the 8-bit machines. That's the type of game I'm interested in. A boardgame on the computer, in essence! One of it's features that I really liked was that if you put MACs (or Amigas) back-to-back, cabled together you can play "ftf" with another player without having to be actaully face-to-face! Have you seen the version of Silent Service for other machines? I'm interested if it was a quick port or did they really take advantage of the 16bit architecture and the better graphics? -Ray | |||||
594.3 | Kampfgruppe | ACE::OLIVAS | Sat Oct 10 1987 00:59 | 20 | |
I used to have an Apple and had many wargames. Strategic Simulations puts out some good ones (and some lousy ones). One of the best wargames I ever played by them was called Battlegroup. It was a sequel to Kampfgruppe (mentioned in .1) and when Kampfgruppe came out for the Amiga I bought it immediately. My recommendation is this: DO NOT BUY THIS PATHETIC PIECE OF TRASH! The game system itself is great, just as Battlegroup was, but this game was released about a year before it should have been. It is so full of bugs it is virtually unplayable. I can only play because I had played Battlegroup. The scoring system is screwed up, your forward observers tend to fire on their own artillery, it exits the order phase for no reason, etc. I don't think this game even went through alpha testing much less beta. I am appalled that SSI would release such an unfinished product. They are too good a company. Maybe, someday, a usable version will be released which I would be happy to own and play 16 hours a day, but until then I would look elsewhere. Andy Humphrey | |||||
594.4 | I agree... | MAADIS::WICKERT | MAA DIS Consultant | Sun Oct 11 1987 22:23 | 20 |
I have to agree... Kampfgruppe was the third game I bought for my Amiga and it's been one of the least played... Is it only the Amiga version? I ask because it's constantly one of the highest rated games in "Computer Gaming World" magazine. I'm searching for a source for Panther Game's Fire Brigage but so far haven't been succesfull. I'm going to put an entry in the Australia notes conference and maybe an Aussie wargamer will give me a hand. I also came across an ad in Amiga World for a game call "Blitzkreig in the Ardennes" (not exact, I don't have that copy here with me) by a company along RT128. I called and talked to the developer and it sounds REAL good. He said it has much more of a boardgame flavor than most other's on the market with complete control over the actions of every piece. I order a copy and it should be here any day. I'll post a review once i get a chance to play with it. -Ray | |||||
594.5 | Just the Amiga version | ACE::OLIVAS | Thu Oct 15 1987 15:17 | 4 | |
I'm sure it's just the Amiga version of Kampfgruppe that is the problem. As I said, Battlegroup on my Apple was marvelous and probably the best of the dozen wargames I had. I really hope SSI releases a playable version at some point because I miss it...:-( |