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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

557.0. "LK201 on Amiga?" by KIRK::KYZIVAT (Paul Kyzivat) Sat Jun 20 1987 03:05

    A couple of us were talking about keyboards, and started contemplating
    hooking an LK201 to the Amiga.  However neither of us had enough
    knowledge to figure out if this would be practical. 

    One thought is to actually plug it in as a replacement for the Amiga
    keyboard. I suspect that even with driver changes this is impractical -
    that the LK201 is functionally much different and unable to be made to
    look like an Amiga keyboard.

    Another thought was to connect the LK201 in via the 2nd mouse port, write
    a special driver for it, and interface Dave's VT100 emulator to it.
    (Of course upgrading it to a VT241 emulator.) 

    Where does one go to get the specs on the LK201?  (Both functional and
    electrical.) 

    Sure would be nice to have a complete VT241 emulator with full
    keyboard. 

    Paul 
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557.1It ain't that toughSTAR::BANKSIn Search of MediocritySat Jun 20 1987 10:0746
    I once had this same idea, except that a different home computer
    was involved.  Working in the CSC gave me access to all sorts of
    maintenance documents that I no longer have handy.  I did find the
    document that you were looking for once, and even xeroxed a few
    pages.
    
    I may be able to find those xeroxed pages and forward them on to
    you, but I'll start here with what I know about the keyboard.  First,
    I'll say that with some work, I did have an LK-201 plugged into
    my computer, and I had a Basic program that was reliably translating
    the stuff that it got.
    
    The keyboard itself is connected via a four wire circuit to the
    terminal.  The wires (forgetting the color code) are ground, +12V,
    receive data, transmit data.  When they say +12V, they're talking
    about a whole bunch of current (I believe 1 amp), so I don't think
    you'd want to try drawing it off one of the amiga's ports.  I just
    built a +12V regulated power supply from Radio Shack parts (they
    even sell the regulator in a bubble pack).
    
    Moving on from there, the data leads send and receive at 4800 baud,
    using traditional 8 bit bytes, framed with one start and one stop
    bit.  So, you can use a pretty generic UART chip to communicate
    with the device.  It does use normal EIA levels, as I recall, rather
    than TTL levels, as I require having to throw some level conversion
    at it as well.
    
    The actual data transmitted is pretty similar to the raw keycodes
    that you get from the Amiga's keyboard.  Without being an expert
    on the Amiga's keyboard, and forgetting much of what I knew about
    the LK-201, I will also say that the LK-201 is a bit more flexible.
    You can program what keys do what, repeat rate, keyclick volume,
    etc.
    
    All in all, once you've got the hardware out of the way, the actual
    key translation is pretty straight forward, and not very different
    from the Amiga's.
    
    fyi: We purchased our LK-201 through the employee purchase plan
    about 3 years ago.  It was a pretty easy thing to order:  We just
    ordered a VT-220 country kit, which simply consists of the keyboard
    and power cord for the terminal (no terminal).  At the time, this
    country kit cost $200, so it cost us $100 after the employee discount.
    I mention this just to point out that obtaining a non-pilfered LK-201
    is quite easy, and doesn't necessarily involve buying a terminal
    or PC.
557.2Starting to put the pieces togetherKIRK::LONGMon Jun 22 1987 09:188
	I found somebody that has the keyboard driver source for the 
	VT240 keyboard and I will put together an Amiga version as
	soon as I can find a little spare time.

RE:.1	A full amp of +12V seems excessive but then, I've never opened my 
	keyboard to see what makes it tick.

	Also $100 for a really good keyboard is a steal.
557.3Maybe you want an Amiga 2000 keyboardTLE::RMEYERSRandy MeyersMon Jun 22 1987 18:4512
Another way to get a "full" keyboard for the Amiga 1000 is to buy an Amiga
2000 keyboard when they become available.  The Commodore hardware people
on Usenet have said that an Amiga 1000 keyboard will plug into a Amiga 2000
with only a connector change, I would hazard a guess that the reverse is
true as well.

I would expect that there would be no software changes needed.  I haven't
heard anything about different versions of 1.2 being used for the 500 and
2000 versus the 1000.

Of course, getting a spare keyboard for a machine that is only currently
being sold in Europe may be a bit hard.
557.4better, but not enoughKIRK::KYZIVATPaul KyzivatMon Jun 22 1987 18:484
I had thought about that.  However, although closer, I believe the A2000 still
doesn't have all the keys of a LK201, making a true VT240 emulator tough.

	Paul
557.5ECC::JAERVINENDown with gravity!Tue Jun 23 1987 06:0810
    I've sometimes been thinking about this too.
    
    The old Professional-350 technical reference manual has a rather
    detailed description of the LK-201. To me, it seemed rather
    complicated, but then again, I know nothing about the Amiga keyboard.
    
    I guess one of the main things is (if you want to use the Amiga
    KB port) whether the speed is the same (or settable)? Everything
    else should be doable with little (?) HW or SW hacks...
    
557.6Anyone do it yet??CGOU01::OAKLEYWhat am I doing here...Thu Apr 07 1988 15:506
    Has anybody been able to hook LK-201 to the A1000 yet?  If so please
    reply with how you did it, I would very much like to try this without
    having to experiment a lot.
    
    BTW: does anybody know what voltage/current the A1000 keyboard uses??
    
557.7A2000 keyboard yet?GUIDUK::ROYA clam by any other nameThu Apr 07 1988 23:2412
    
    And how about the A2000 keyboard on an A1000?
    Anyone got one of these working?
    
    I understand that the key codes are all the same so all
    that is required is a HW adapter.
    What kind of an adapter and where could I make/buy/steal one?
    
    Oh I yearn for a full sized keyboard...
    
    
-- Steve
557.8BAGELS::BRANNONDave BrannonFri Apr 08 1988 13:534
    according to a local computer store, he said had to check but
    thought the price for a A2000 keyboard is $130.
    
    -dave