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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

360.0. "PAL Video grabber for Amigas???" by MEO78B::MACKAY (Don Mackay) Sat Feb 28 1987 04:50

    I would like to buy an Amiga (and after seening a demonstration,
    who wouldn't...) but mainly for my wifes interior design business.

    What I would like to know, and the local Amiga agent refused to
    understand, is is there a way to take a PAL video image (either
    from a camera or a video player) and grab a single frame for colour
    display on an Amiga. My intention would be to then indicate specific
    areas for re-colouring and/or re-positioning etc (ie take video
    of clients existing room, display on Amiga, change wall colours,
    re-arrange furniture, add/delete windows etc etc to show to client).
    
    The twit at the local shop kept talking about digitizing a print
    which is not what I am on about.
    
    Is there something like this available, or do I have to wait a few
    more months/years?
    
    Don Mackay
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360.1< Genlock and LIVE! >CESARE::ZABOTMarco Zabot-Adv.Tech.mgr-Turin ACTMon Mar 02 1987 12:1415
    Two choices:
    1 - LIVE! is the product you are looking for. It is suppose to be
        a frame grabber. Someone has claimed to have touch it. A long
    	research, most delears have been contacted in whole Europe,
    	make me believe it's VAPOR WARE!
    2a- Use Genlock and grab the image from a monitor. This will work,
    	but the quality may be very poor. I will check in a couple of
    	weeks and will post the results.
    2b- Use Genlock and a decoder.This will give better results. The
    	cost is unknown, but for non-professional stuff shoudn't be
    	too high. Once again, I'll let you know ( or someone else can
    	jump in !).
    Once you got the image, do what you want may be a little complicated.
    March issue of Byte has some good articles on image processing.
    
360.2I meant DIGI-VIEW, not GENLOCK !!!CESARE::ZABOTMarco Zabot-Adv.Tech.mgr-Turin ACTMon Mar 02 1987 12:199
    Sorry. Forgive me, I was out of my mind !!!!
    Whenever in the previous message is written Genlock you should read
    DIGI-VIEW ( 199$ ??, check in other notes).
    BTW, no problem if you're using a b/w camera. Digi-view works
    perfectly!
    
    PS. I'm becoming crazy in using Genlock ( PAL version, totally
    different fron NTSC one). It's not able to feed a TBU !!
    
360.3Live! lives....somewhereHYSTER::DEARBORNTrouvez MieuxTue Mar 10 1987 16:3611
    Live! exists but still is not available.  It was used  for the "The
    Eternal Mind" episode of Amazing Stories.  As far as I know, Universal
    Studios are the only ones that have one.  I saw a prototype one
    year ago, but have seen nothing since.
    
    It does not digitize in color, just 32 shades of gray in lo-res.
    
    Digi-view might be the best alternative, but is not very flexible.
    
    An interesting application...
    
360.4RJ says its doneTLE::RMEYERSRandy MeyersTue Mar 10 1987 17:3910
Re: .3

During the talk by RJ at the BCS meeting, one the the things he
mentioned was that Commodore seemed to be sitting on hardware and
software.

He said that Amiga Live! has been done for a long time.  That the
Sidecar had been done for a long time (it passed FCC in December 1986).
He had no idea why Commodore wasn't releasing this stuff; in fact he
mentioned several times the "black hole of Commodore."
360.5This is what I bought the Amiga for!ANYWAY::FONSECAHave password, will travel.Wed Mar 11 1987 12:5511
In fact I asked RJ about Alive! during that meeting, and he indicated
that he expected several other digitizers to be out by mid-summer by
independant developers.  Yah!

<small guttering flame>
Of all the vaporware that has been associated with the Amiga, this
is certainly the one piece which seems to be doing its best to get
into the vaporware hall of fame.  I'll be glad when these 3rd party
products come out.  I'm sure they will be cheaper and better than the
original product, I mean we are talking mid-1985 when this product
was first announced!  It has been long enough!
360.6Hurry up and waitHYSTER::DEARBORNTrouvez MieuxWed Mar 11 1987 13:198
    Agreed!
    
    I also bought my Amiga to do CAD work.  It wasn't until last month
    that I finally got a working copy of Aegis Draw+.  I bought the
    Amiga over a year ago.  It's taken that long to get it to do what
    I bought it for...
    
    
360.7The worst is overTLE::RMEYERSRandy MeyersWed Mar 11 1987 17:0829
Re: Last few

The first year of a new machine is always the hardest.  However, the Amiga
has done quite well for itself.  Its first year of sales exceeded the first
year of sales of the Macintosh.  In the markets it has been offered in (North
America), it has outsold semi-comparable first year machines (in other words,
it outsold the ST in the market where both were offered).

For a machine that has had its first birthday no so long ago, the Amiga has
done very well.  I remember reading trade magazines on the Macintosh during
its first year.  The typical article stated that Apple was trying
unsuccessfully to sale have Macintoshs to businesses, and that it was failing
miserably because the Mac had no software.  It was over a year before the
Mac got its first spreadsheet.

During the last couple few months the Amiga base of software and add on
hardware has greatly increased and become more sophisticated and polished,
and this trend seems to be accelerating.  Most of the doomsayers in magazines
that have called the Amiga a failure seem to be basing their opinions on
misinformation or just seem to have bad memories.  Bad memories because they
have forgot the Mac's even thornier past, or misinformation because they
believed the Compute! rumor about the number of STs sold.  (Compute!
by saying that the ST had out sold the Amiga 10 to 1 had unknowingly
claimed that the ST had outsold even the Macintosh.)

I think that the Amiga is going to be a major success.  I think that Apple
has done itself a great disservice by pricing Macs so high, and some time
in the next couple of years Apple is going to wake up ands discover that
there are more Amigas in the world than Macs.
360.8nLEDS::ACCIARDIWed Mar 11 1987 21:1116
    Just for the record, there are now three SCSI hard drives available
    for well under a thousand dollars, and about a dozen memory board
    vendors.  I have heard that the software list is now over 500 titles,
    (I don't believe it).
    
    I think now that some sales myths regarding the ST have been unraveled,
    many software and hardware developers are going to work on Amiga
    products.  
    
    The new Mac ][, while an amazingly wonderful machine, is so far
    out of reach of most mortals, I doubt it will steal a single Amiga
    sale.  The ][GS may be a different matter, even though it is a real
    bow wow compared to Amiga.
    
    The future looks so bright, I gotta wear shades.