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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

332.0. "how's Deluxe Music?" by KIRK::KYZIVAT (Paul Kyzivat) Tue Feb 17 1987 19:08

Unless I have been asleep I haven't noticed any reviews here of Deluxe Music.  
I know there are some musical experts out there who commented on earlier music 
software.  Any comments on DM?  I have Instant Music, but it is definitely 
limited in what it can perform.

On a related subject - I have been looking for a cheap sound system to connect 
up to my Amiga.  (Computer too far from the stereo.)  I started looking at add 
on speakers for a Walkman, but found them too limited.  (For instance, no 
volume control or else separate on each speaker.) The next thing I have found
is a cheap $59 Radio Shack stereo amp and $20 speakers - adding up to around
$100.  Last weekend I saw a pair of add on speakers for sale at the Memory
Location for $100 with a single volume control, but they looked pretty klutzy. 
Is there anything else I can consider in the $100 (or preferably under) range?
Cheap speakers are generally available I haven't seen cheap amps anywhere 
except Radio Shack. (I would buy the Radio Shack stuff if it ever went on
sale, but it hasn't in the last two months.) 

Is is feasible to make a ~50' run from the Amiga audio out to my stereo?

	Paul
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332.1Self powered speakers for the AmigaMLOKAI::SANFORDWed Feb 18 1987 11:4422
    These speakers are not in your price range, but provide an excellent
    output device for both the Amiga and portable CD player or other.
    
    First, my favorite, Acoustic Research Powered Partners (Suggested
    list is $299.00, have seen them for $250.00).  Each speaker has
    its own AC cord (can also be powered by 14 VDC) and will output
    up to 32 watts.  Can can buy one speaker for $150.00.  I have seen
    these locally in Salem, NH (not sure the store name, across from
    the old Cuomos).
    
    Second, Bose makes two sets of speakers, one BOSE roomates and two
    BOSE videomates.  Both are basically the same and handle 30 watts.
    They are powered by AC only, one speaker has the ampliphier and
    the other is driven by the first.  Pice I have seen is $229.00 for
    the pair (at Cuomos and Lechmere - on sale this week at Lechmere).
    
    Have seen reviews on the above, Powered partners beat the BOSE by
    a small margine.
    
    Good luck, go for the best the Amiga deserves only the best.
    
    -drew
332.2Ther are others out there...HYSTER::DEARBORNTrouvez MieuxWed Feb 18 1987 13:448
    There are a lot of other powered speakers out there.  Some are designed
    to be used with 'walkmans.'
    
    I have a pair of powered Fostex studio monitors that I use.  I think
    that they sell for less than the AR or bose speakers, but don't
    know for sure.  They were given to me.
    
    
332.3DMCS Love/HateLEDS::ACCIARDIThu Feb 19 1987 08:0940
    Re: Deluxe Music
    
    I don't know squat about music or composition, but I bought DMCS
    in the hopes of learning something.  If you can't read music, forget
    this package.  It is very intimidating to a beginner.
    
    DMCS is more of a note entry system, rather than a MIDI-type package.
    Although there are MIDI options, I have heard that the program cannot
    record notes entered thru a MIDI keyboard fast enough to keep up
    in real time. 
    
    Where DMCS shines is in its music editing capabilities.  You can
    slur notes, add descendo or crescendo to a measure, create beam
    notes, and virtually every other musical buzzword that I don't
    understand.
    
    My gripes:  You cannot make your own instruments, like you can
    in Musicraft.  The DMCS disk comes with 20 or so canned instruments,
    and the 'Rock 'n Roll' disk provides about 50 more, but you can't
    roll your own.  Also, Musicraft provides analog control over the
    ADSR envelopes for fine tuning of a waveform, but DMCS merely gives
    options like 'Fast Attack' 'Slow Attack' 'Stacatto' 'Legatto', etc.
    Knowing Electronic Arts, they will probably try to sell a 'Deluxe
    Music Construction Set Deluxe Instrument Builder' for $50 or so.
    Another gripe is that you cannot change instruments within a measure.
    Changing instruments is a pain, you must first select a measure,
    then select a new instrument, then assign the new instrument to
    that measure.  In Musicraft, you just go click on the little horn
    icon, and go drop it wharever you want on the staff.  The result
    is that you can have a different instrument for every single note
    in a score.
    
    The program also allows note entry thru an on-screen piano keyboard,
    but you can't enter notes thru the Amiga keyboard.
    
    All in all, I am very impressed, but I impress easily.  I also heard
    that DMCS is being re-released with some bugs fixed, and the new
    version should run a bit faster.  I haven't seen any bugs or Gurus,
    but I haven't stressed the program very much.
    
332.4Radio SHLACK!HOUSE::FRACTALThu Feb 19 1987 21:2911
     Note: Beware of radio shack speakers. I had a pair of those metal
    speakers they have hooked up to the amp at the memory location.
    They sound great but when you put them near a monitor say goodbye
    to youre phosphors. I now have to keep them on the floor. Sony sells
    a pair of bookshelf magnetically sheilded speakers that are 89$
    a pair at J&R music world in new york. They also have a built in
    amp. The catalog says that they are designed specifically for video
    applications. Would you like a model number?
    
    -ph
    
332.5Why didn't I remember that?KIRK::KYZIVATPaul KyzivatFri Feb 20 1987 12:5911
I must be getting stupid.  I knew that speakers were bad news for monitors,
but somehow I completely forgot about it in this case - I have been expecting
to put them right next to the monitor.  Being restricted to shielded speakers
will make it even harder to find something. 

Yes, I would like the model number of the Sonys.  Also, do you know someplace
locally where I could see/hear them?  They sound like they might be what I am
looking for. 

	Thanks,
	Paul
332.6There are worse things to worry about!TLE::RMEYERSRandy MeyersFri Feb 20 1987 13:204
Re: .5

If you think that unshielded speakers are bad news for your monitor, just
place them next to your pile of disks.
332.7Heres the beef.HOUSE::FRACTALSat Feb 21 1987 00:085
    The model # is APM-007AV. They retail for 149.95 and they are 89.95
    at J&R Music World in New York. Their address is 23 Park Row, New
    York, New York, 10038. Their order # is 1-800-221-8180.
    
    -ph
332.8do you have experience with these?KIRK::KYZIVATPaul KyzivatSun Feb 22 1987 02:0411
re: .-

Do you own a pair of these?  If so, did you get them from J&R?

I want to find some place local to take a test drive,
and if I was going to mail order I would want to check out
the outfit - some are good and others aren't.

Thanks for the info.  I will go looking for them.

	Paul