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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:	AMIGA NOTES
Notice:	Join us in the NEW conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:	HYDRA::MOORE

Created:	Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:	Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	5378
Total number of notes:	38326

73.0. "Programs with/without Copy protection?" by NUHAVN::MELLITZ (Tazmanian Devil) Tue Aug 05 1986 09:30

    I'm curious.  I want to buy more software. I even have some programs
    in mind now. *BUT* ... I also want to  buy a hard disk when they
    become more price feasable.  The problem is:  What programs that I
    buy now will be not be able to be put on the hard disk because
    of the copy protection scheme that some SW distributers use?
    
    I'd like this note reflect the status of SW with respect to the above.
    Please indicate if you think a program like Marauder solves the problem
    for a particular program. 
    
       ... Rich

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
73.1		CYBORG::LAMBERT	Max Headroom....Catch the wave...	`Tue Aug 05 1986 10:55`	7
	From all I have heard, most of the current software that is using an evolving copy protect scheme will not use it in the future. Dpaint is upgrading to a new version (supporting auto-anit-aliasign sp?) and you will be able to pickup an un-protected disk for a mere 20$ more. brian
73.2		ALIBUT::SANTIAGO	Ed Santiago	`Tue Aug 05 1986 12:21`	2
	From what I've seen about Marauder II it looks like it will be able to copy protected SW to hard disk without requiring key disks.
73.3	hmm...	ANT::SMCAFEE	Steve McAfee	`Tue Aug 05 1986 18:01`	8
	Will this work for programs that need to be booted in place of the workbench? If so, how would you activate/run them off the hard disk? Just wondering... Steve McAfee
73.4	Re: hmm...	ALIBUT::SANTIAGO	Ed Santiago	`Wed Aug 06 1986 08:45`	3
	My bet would be, boot off the Marauder disk and tell it to go activate something on the HD. Then again, that would negate what they were saying about no key disk required...
73.5	clickable programs?	NUHAVN::MELLITZ	Tazmanian Devil	`Wed Aug 06 1986 08:54`	23
	>< Note 73.3 by ANT::SMCAFEE "Steve McAfee" > > -< hmm... >- > > Will this work for programs that need to be booted in place of the > workbench? If so, how would you activate/run them off the hard > disk? Good question. Here's an examle. I have Dpaint. I need to boot the Dpaint disk (after Kickstart). This get's me to a CLI. Then I've got to type Dpaint. Ech.. I believe Marauder will copy Dpaint, but I must use a CLI to run it. Any one got any tricks on how to use an ICON to execute a command file with a line that runs dpaint or whatever in it... just thinking in a stream... perhaps that should be a topic of another note. Entries here perhaps should indicate whether they need to be run from a CLI or are "clickable". ... Rich
73.6	Info on programs	NUHAVN::MELLITZ	Tazmanian Devil	`Wed Aug 06 1986 09:08`	21
	The following programs are not copy protected and "clickable". ONLINE! SCRIBBLE! ANALYZE! all the GIZMOS (sp?) stuff The following programs are not copy protect and come up in a CLI The A-time disk ( programmable clock disk ) The following programs are copy protected and come up in a CLI. DPAINT The following program are copy protected, come up and takeover the CPU (I suspect they run from a startup-sequence) ARCHON SKYHAWK MINDSHADOWS Anyone have info on AEGIS Draw, Instant Music WRT, VIP, or dbdata WRT the following? ... Rich
73.7	some info	ANT::SMCAFEE	Steve McAfee	`Wed Aug 06 1986 11:06`	17
	I hate to admit this but I am one of the few folks who don't have Dpaint yet. Since EA is no longer protecting Dpaint (among others), I am waiting for the unprotected version to come out. FYI It is not difficult at all to make an Icon start a program. 1. Copy the .info file of an icon of the TOOL type (e.g. the cli icon) to your program name.info. 2. Reopen the window where it should be located. Now you will see an icon with the name of your program. (Use IconEd to modify the pic.) Clicking this twice should start your application. I am not sure about passing parameters. Maybe someone else could add info to this. Steve McAfee
73.8		AK1A::SANTIAGO	Roads? Where we're going we don't NEED roads!	`Wed Aug 06 1986 12:09`	7
	I think the problem is DPaint hogs too much memory to be very useful from WBench. Besides you'd have to install Workbench on the DPaint disk (or at the very least write a .info file to it and boot from a standard disk, then invoke DPaint from your other drive). The point is, writing to a copy protected disk is a no-no. Maybe when the unprotected version comes out somebody can try it. I really think the extra overhead needed for WorkBench will affect DPaint, though.
73.9		HYSTER::DEARBORN	The One to Watch <>	`Wed Aug 06 1986 12:36`	3
	In order to get the un-protected version of DPaint, you first have to buy the protected version, send in the enclosed card with $20.00. They will not sell the unprotected version 'over the counter'
73.10	what can MARAUDER do?	KIRK::KYZIVAT	Paul Kyzivat	`Tue Sep 16 1986 14:47`	10
	Will Marauder (or Marauder II) make a copy of DPAINT that doesn't need the key disk? I am not out to rip anyone off, I just want to keep the original safe and have a working copy that is reasonable to use. Somehow I feel that I am being ripped off if I have to pay $20 for the privilege. I would rather pay the money for Marauder. Where is info about Marauder and Marauder II (namely exactly what it will do) available? Paul
73.11	public domain backup programs	VAXWRK::PRAETORIUS	_636741600744_	`Wed Sep 17 1986 10:30`	9
	There's a semipseudowhizbang copy program on a recent Fish disk which is supposed to be able to do DPAINT backups. If you don't mind the delay in getting it, it would be somewhat cheaper than buying either Marauder or the EA copying privilege. On the other hand it's public domain and you got noone to complain to if it don't work, so ya may be better of with Marauder. whatever, RP
73.12	VIP Pro not protected	SIERRA::LANDAU		`Fri Oct 03 1986 18:34`	13
	VIP Professional is not copy-protected. The license agreement is very explicit about making only a single backup copy, however. And you have to file a registration card with serial number and all to get any support from them. [This unfortunately ignores the number of books on the topic, since it is a Lotus-clone, and the widespread expertise on the subject, too.] I hope all this works for VIP Technologies. It's a nice program, and I'd like to see them do more. However, since the program is expensive, the price makes taking illegal copies very tempting to people who think that software ought to be free. rick
73.13	PD Copy Programs	AUTHOR::MACDONALD	CUP/ML	`Sun Oct 05 1986 22:55`	6
	There are a number of PD copy programs that will cure most copy protection woes. One in particular is QCOPYEA which backs up EA diskettes. Although EA supplies a second backup diskette with DPaint, they do not supply them with most of their other programs. Paul
73.14	QCOPYEA on DPRINT too?	DEXTER::MELLITZ	Tazmanian Devil	`Tue Oct 07 1986 18:50`	3
	Will COPYEA even work on DPRINT? ... Rich
73.15	Sure does!	AUTHOR::MACDONALD	CUP/ML	`Wed Oct 08 1986 09:03`	5
	Sure does ... I just backed up my copy of DPrint the other day. DPrint is a nice program by the way. I just designed some invitations using it. Now, if I only had a laser printer. Paul
73.16	Examine the Startup-sequence)	JOKE::ACCIARDI		`Fri Oct 10 1986 13:47`	17
	I have almost always been able to modify the startup-sequence of a program to allow multitasking. (If only I had more memory!) In general, one can do the following to multitask commercial software: From the cli, type: CD DF1: run Execute s/startup-sequence endcli This does not work with software that utilizes the Intuition FORBID mode, which takes over the machine, i.e. Leader Board, and others. Frequently, examiningthe startup-sequence for device assignments, etc. can give clues on how to fix the program to multitask. The main limitation is memory. (I hope to have 1.5 megs shortly).