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Conference 7.286::sports_91

Title:CAM::SPORTS -- Digital's Daily Sports Tabloid
Notice:This file has been archived. New notes to CAM3::SPORTS.
Moderator:CAM3::WAY
Created:Fri Dec 21 1990
Last Modified:Mon Nov 01 1993
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:290
Total number of notes:84103

242.0. "The Bob Irsay/NFL Draft Fantasy Note" by RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO (Is that a Drake's Coffee Cake?) Wed Feb 05 1992 15:11

    Okay - this is your chance.
    
    In fact, its TWO chance.
    
    As mostof you know - the Indianapolis (nee Baltimore) Colts have the #1
    AND #2 picks in the NFL draft.
    
    As most of you also know, the Colts are knows to make many blunders and
    insane moves - mostly due to one RObert Irsay, owner and mover of the
    COlts.
    
    There are two scenarios:
    
    1.  Irsay has disappeared.  YOU ARE IN CHARGE!  It is up to you, with
    help from new Coach Ted Marchibroda, to use those picks.
    
    You Can:  Use them.  Trade them.  Use them and then trade them.
    
    2.  You have become Bob Irsay.  What the absolute worst deal you can
    think of to screw this great draft position up.
    
    For example:  You could trade both picks to the New York Giants for
    Steve DeOssie and 2 #4 picks in 1999 draft.
    
    Have at it.
    
    JD
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242.1It's all irsay!SHALOT::MEDVIDthe illusion is deepWed Feb 05 1992 15:2118
>    1.  Irsay has disappeared.  YOU ARE IN CHARGE!  It is up to you, with
>    help from new Coach Ted Marchibroda, to use those picks.
    
    Definitly trade both picks for quality, proven players (which drafting
    does not guarantee you) and rebuild with them and signing Plan B
    players.  Perhaps even trade the Raiders for the rights to the Rocket
    and a few players.
    
>    2.  You have become Bob Irsay.  What the absolute worst deal you can
>    think of to screw this great draft position up.
    
    #1 - Shaqueal O'Neal
    #2 - Alonzo Mourning
    
    Hal Tried Hard�.
    
    	--dan'l
    
242.2I'm Bob!RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JOIs that a Drake's Coffee Cake?Wed Feb 05 1992 15:3112
    I'm in charge.
    
    I take Steve Entmann with the #1 pick.  I then look for a deal for a
    proven player and a #1 pick to let someone move down.  WOuldn't one of
    them run and shooters just love to get Desmond Howard? 
    
    I'm Bob Irsay.
    
    I trade the #1 pick to Houston for Drew Hill.  With the #2 pick, I take
    Desmond Howard, who signs with the CFL.
    
    JD
242.3Sporting News takes chargeCRLPS::MACNEALruck `n' rollWed Feb 05 1992 15:3611
    Here's what Sporting News would do if they were Bob Irsay:
    
  o Steve Emtmann,   Jr,   dt,    Washington St.  Indianapolis Colts
    The Colts can't pass him up, unless somebody makes them an offer
    they can't refuse.

  o Desmond Howard,  Jr,   wr-kr, Michigan	Indianopolis Colts
    If Ted Marchibroda is hired [he was] as the Colts's coach, he'll have
    to give Jeff George some targets for his fastbreak offense. Desmond
    is the man. He can return kicks, too. But don't be surprise if the
    Colts trade down.
242.4What about Bob?DECWET::METZGERIt's not the thing that you fling...Wed Feb 05 1992 15:4136
I'm not Bob...but I play him on TV...

Trade both #1 pick for a 1st,2nd and 3rd round pick to any team picking over
15th in the first round.

trade the #2 pick for a 1st,2nd and 3rd round pick to somebody else.

Draft a whole new offensive line to protect my young stud QB. Let them play
together for 2 straight years.

With the remaining picks draft some defensive backs.




Now I'm bob.....


Trade the #1 pick to the raiders for Roger Craig (washed up running backs are
good for a team right?)

Trade the #2 pick for the rights to Dexter Manly and convince him to come out
of retirement and convince the NFL to give him one more shot. Prove to the
commisioner that he really is rehabilitated this time and he'll promise to stay
off the stuff....Give Dexter a huge contract with a vacation condo in Columbia
as part of the deal...

Agree to switch stadiums and locations with Victor Kiam. The improving patriots
move to Indy (Vic the slick will still own them) and you agree to move up to NE
because you hear the fans will support the team and the stadium is a great place
to go see a game......


Metz

242.5GOMETS::mccarthyMike McCarthy MRO4-3/C11 297-4531Wed Feb 05 1992 16:0412
Replacing Irsay:

Draft Entman with the first pick.  Try to swing a deal like the Pats and
get multiple picks for the 2nd pick - maybe someone really wants Klingler.
If I can swing a deal, grab the best OL available.

As Irsay:

Sell the team to Japanese interests and force Fay Vincent to be a
season ticket holder.

Mike
242.6JARETH::YANKOWSKASElmo for PresidentWed Feb 05 1992 16:0913
    As one who believes in building a team starting with the offensive
    line, I'm in total agreement with Metz (.4).  Look what the Hogs have
    meant to the Redskins over the last decade; also, the Oilers laid
    themselves a good foundation by taking an offensive lineman #1 for 3-4
    years in a row in the early 80s.  Were I in charge, I'd definitely make
    trade-down deals with both picks that would still enable me to get some
    good young o-linemen.  
    
    If I were Irsay?   Hmmmm, tough to think of something that would top
    his worst screwups....
    
    
    py
242.7CAMONE::WAYCuimhnich, 13 February 1692Wed Feb 05 1992 16:2612
If I'm replacing Irsay,

	I trade 1 and 2 for a bunch of players I need, then grab
	up some good OL from plan B.

If I'm Irsay?

	Simple, I hire Ray Handley and all of his assistants from
	the Giants.


'Saw
242.8ROYALT::ASHEBuxom x-dressers threw fake gold coins at our feetWed Feb 05 1992 16:3711
    Me:  Trade the #1 and Dickerson to Detroit for Andre Ware and Raymond
    Berry. Oh, seriously... draft Entmann #1 and trade down with the second
    one for a good player and a #1.  One option: to KC for their #1 and
    Harvey Williams.  Draft an OL.  Pick up a Brian Brennan or Tim Brown
    off plan B.  Cornelius Bennett too, while you're at it.  Ok, so the
    last part won't work.
    
    Irsay: Sign Bert Jones because Marchibroda won with him last time.  
    Draft Rocket, who goes to CFL, and Entmann, who holds out because
    he wasn't the #1 pick...
    
242.9DYPSS1::ROPERBRoper DTN-433-4336Wed Feb 05 1992 16:5519
    If I'm in Charge:
    
    Draft Steve Entman with the number one pick.  That one's easy.  Every
    team is looking for defensive line studs such as Reggie White, Bruce
    Smith, etc.  
    
    With the #2 pick, I'd trade it to Dallas for their #1 pick actually
    position 13 in the draft courtesy of the Vikes and their second and
    third round picks courtesy of the Vikes.  With the second and third
    round picks I'd trade with other teams to get a slew of
    third/fourth/fifth round picks to use on offensive lineman.  
    
    If I'm Irsay (Shudder..):
    
    I'd get on the phone immediately with Vic Kiam. I'd trade #'s 1 and 2
    to the Pats on the sole condition that Kiam swaps cities with me in the
    middle of the night during the Major League Baseball All-Star break!
    
    WILDCAT
242.10PLUGH::NEEDLEMoney talks. Mine says "Good-Bye!"Wed Feb 05 1992 18:125
It's pretty certain that Irsay will package the #1, #2, and Jeff George and
send them to the Rams for Eric Dickerson.  And no one will be able to talk him
out of it.

j.
242.11USCTR2::NAHEARNThu Feb 06 1992 09:0726
    Replacing Irsay:
    
    I'd trade the #1 (yup, the rights to Emtman) to the Redskins for their
    two #1 picks (6th & 28th?), Ricky Sanders and Bobby Wilson.
    
    I'd use the #2 pick to take Desmond Howard and the #6 pick to take
    Bob(?) Whitfield.  With the 28th pick, they could likely grab Greg
    Skrepenek (I *KNOW* I didn't spell that right!!!!).
    
    That would give them 2 quality wideouts for their no-huddle offense, a
    #1 DL from last year's draft, and two of the best OL in this year's
    draft.  
    
    The Redskins are known for giving up their first round picks...and
    might very well part with TWO for a player the calibre of Emtman.
    
    
    If I were Irsay:
    
    I'd draft Mike Tyson #1, only if the NFL assures me that I retain his
    rights 'til he's put on a work-release program....and trade the #2 to
    Pittsburgh for the rights to sign J_e Walt_n on as _ffensive
    C__rdinat_r!!!
    
    
    Nelly
242.12It would almost be fun !!QUASER::HUNTERTwo JaKes... Your Worst NightmareThu Feb 06 1992 10:0215
    
     Me:
    
     Draft Eatman with the #1.  Pick up Desmond Howard with the #2 and
    wheel and deal with the R&S boys for some big proven OL. and a high
    pick in next years draft.
    
     Me Playing Irsay:
    
     Trade the #1 to the Raiders for Jim Plunket and Lyle Alzado.  Quickly
    turn around and make a deal with the Redskins for John Riggens and a
    10th round pick in the 2010 draft for the #2.  Then wake up in the
    morning and be surprised when the sun come up !
    
    BG
242.13ANGLIN::SHAUGHNESSYPlato,Homer,Voltaire,BobKnightThu Feb 06 1992 10:1612
    Actually, Metz, former '49ers asst. Vikings Haid Coach Denny Green
    is going after Roger Craig right now, and another older '9er whose
    name excapes me right now, a fullback.  
    
    This has been received well in the northland.  Craig will fit right
    in with Green, and isn't a moany-woany baby who'll refuse to block
    a la Hoo-show or Terry Allen (who's learning) or Nelson.  Also, even
    though Roger's old he's in magnificient shape what with the
    conditioning and that the '9ers played a style a ball not particularly
    punishing on RBs.
    
    MrT
242.14QUASER::HUNTERTwo JaKes... Your Worst NightmareThu Feb 06 1992 10:213
    MorT... Stick to the Topic, dude !!
    
    BG   ;^)
242.15Minny-soda is the perect place for him. Aging useless vet on a team full of them..DECWET::METZGERIt's not the thing that you fling...Thu Feb 06 1992 14:0215
Minny-soda can have Craig. They'll vastly over pay him for what he's currently
worth and try to work him into the offense even though he's a has been.

Craig has nothng left. He's lost more than just one step. He's extremely
easy to bring down now. No need to gang tackle him. Just one pop and he's on his
rump. I've seen guys bring him down with one arm. He was great in his prime but
he was inflicted with heavy damage in SF because he touched the ball so much.
He might not have gone head first into the line 30 times a game like Earl
Cambell but he got quite a few licks put on him. He used to undergo a couple of
hours of deep massage the day after games to get the bruises out. Age has
caught up to him and he'll do nothing for Minny-soda....

Metz

242.16it's all relativeANGLIN::SHAUGHNESSYPlato,Homer,Voltaire,BobKnightThu Feb 06 1992 15:106
    All that's true, Metz, but by that evaluation Roger looks danged
    good cuz at least he won't be whining or skipping camp to go
    bobsledding or, like Darren Nelson, diving sideways to the ground
    so as to not be mowed down by a raging DE on his way to the QB.
    
    MrT
242.17LUNER::BROOKSYou down wit MSG ?Mon Feb 10 1992 10:442
    Trade both picks to Houston for Allen Pinkett, Bud Adams, and a warm
    six-pack. No offense to Pinkett, but Bud Adams must go ....
242.18LUNER::BROOKSYou down wit MSG ?Mon Feb 10 1992 10:514
    Take Entman with the number 1 pick ... then trade the nexted pick for a
    lower number one and a OL ... then trade Dickerson for a #2 and a
    conditional pick. Take another OL with the other number 1, and the best
    back on the board (Amp Lee ?) with the number 2 pick ....
242.1957112::ASHEBuxom x-dressers threw fake gold coins at our feetMon Feb 10 1992 17:072
    Can't trade Pinkett, he's already in New Orleans...
    
242.20Out of touch ...LUNER::BROOKSYou down wit MSG ?Tue Feb 11 1992 12:201
    I missed that one ... care to explain ?
242.212-#1's for "Hot Plate"SALEM::HARRIS_KWed Feb 19 1992 08:3913
    Trade the #1 pick away and get acouple of #1's for it. Take Whitfield
    with the 2nd pick and go after Carl pickens with one of the picks 
    acquired in the trade. Take the next best OL with the otherOL. If they 
    don't get a line they are gonna have to draft a QB in a few years
    'cause Jeff George is gonna get killed behind that line.
    
    Someone in an earlier note said they should sign Tim Brown off of Plan
    B, he isn't on Plan B.
    
    If I was Irsay, I would trade both #1's to the Washington Bullets for
    OVERWEIGHT forward John "Hot Plate" Williams and try him on the OL!
    
    Kenn
242.22CSC32::J_HERNANDEZThe Devil(dog) made me do it.Wed Feb 19 1992 19:392
    If I was Irsay, I'd trade both picks to the Rams for 2 pictures of
    Georgia Frontier in her underwear. Pix for Picks, right?
242.23SALEM::TIMMONSWhere's Waldo?Thu Feb 20 1992 12:014
    I'd trade both them picks to some beertender in the Greater Boston area
    for 36 tickets to Fenway.
    
    lEe
242.24PATE::MACNEALruck `n' rollThu Apr 30 1992 17:266
    Well, the results are in.
    
    Irsay kept the draft picks, drafted 2 highly rated players, and both
    said they would play for the Colts!
    
    Who woulda thunk it?
242.25CTHQ1::MCCULLOUGHLindsey's gonna HAVE a sister!!!Thu Apr 30 1992 17:283
re: -1

Yea, but now he has to SIGN them...
242.26Word is that they are signed ...OURGNG::RIGGENT Maddox, J Namath, J Elway...Thu Apr 30 1992 17:370
242.27COMET::JACKSONTAHangManThu Apr 30 1992 18:541
      Nice P_name Jeff!
242.28CTHQ2::LEARYSix, two, and even.Fri May 01 1992 10:387
    Careful Riggo,
    Wif Elway at the end of dat string, mebbe you should replace Joe Willie
    wif Fran Tarkenton. Po' Maddox, he don't know what he's in for.
    
    8^)
    MikeL