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DAMN!!!!!

Why do I feel like I'm in the Army, in a war, and all my friends are getting
blown away.

Why is this company getting rid of good people and leaving all the stagnant,
gluteus maximus covering managers who are only interested in building empires.

Enquiring and all that!


'Saw

    
    'saw, careful what you are calling us'ns that aree left.  I may be
    stagnant and gluteus maximus covering, but I ain't no manager!
    
    Bruce
    
    PS  So long Mike JN!!

This has been a BAD week.  All the traditions seem to be going down the 
s*itt*er  (for you non-sensitive types, that's shitter).

Anyway, first it's those dweebs down at the Giants ticket office who
messed up our Manis.

Then, the dweebs here get rid of Mike JN without even lettin' him put
in a last JUNK note for posterity.

Nexted thing you know, they'll be snooping around the notes files.

Before you know it, we'll all be little Hare DECnas(tm), with a glassy
look in our eyes, muttering over and over "Time to make the company money,
Time to make the company money", or "No bottled water, no Wall Street Journal".
They'll have us in airport parking lots asking for nickels and dimes for
the company....

All the personality will be gone, all the joie de vivre, all of the cool
things that make (made?) this place cool....


Oh well...

So long Mike JN.  You made me pee my pants and inhale my coffee more than
once.  That's a talent that the folks who gave you the ax will never have,
nor appreciate!!!!!


Chainsaw

    This round is the one that hurts the worst, 'cause we don't get a
    chance to say good-bye.
    
    In about a week or so, will one of the Colorado Contingent please print
    this note out and share it with Mike (provided any of you know how to
    get in touch with him)?
    
    Mike JN was one of the folks who got me hooked on this file in the
    first place.  I'll miss his light-hearted approach -- only wish we had
    a "Junk Notes Hall of Fame" 'cause I'm sure he'd be our first inductee.
    
    A&W

I remember reading the story of Bart Starr, and how, during training camp,
a guy they called "The Turk" would come around and knock on the door
at night, to cut the guys who were cut.

I guess the Turk came around and got Mike JN today....  Bummer, Bummer, Bummer.


Man, we've lost too many of the "cool people" from in here lately.
I mean, Hoot, Monty, the Bibe, Al Cote...

Mac, you and I will have to put a couple of frosty ones back in memory of
one of the finest Junk Noters of all time.

Who could EVER forget his insight during the famous Trial....
And who will we get to fairly and equitably maintain the TRADEMARK note?


Well, as Mike would say:

	
		Phoe shit shlep!


'Saw

I always get a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach when I hear this stuff.  I 
came close to being bounced myself, and it hits close to home.

I just hope Mike JN isn't hit too hard, and views it as an opportunity, not a 
loss.  The only loss is to Digital, and especially ::SPORTS

Hang in there Mike - hope you're relaxing with a cold one around now...

=Bob=

    
    That really sucks.  Mike was one of the best.  I can't believe there
    isn't a place in this company for a guy with his insight and
    enthusiasm. I never met him, but his spirit and high morale shone
    through in his notes.
    
    Hey Mike, I hope someone gets our message to you:  You will be sorely
    missed.
    
    Dick
    

    Ciao Mike.  Good Luck!!
    
    JaKe
    

    Mike always managed to make me laugh when I really needed it.  He
    displayed a great sense of humor in here.  Take care...
    
    As this drags on, I feel more and more fortunate.  My mother-in-law
    received the golden handshake in Tempe (TFO) yesterday.  I can't wait
    until this is over so we can get on with our business.  Problem is that
    we are losing some key players along the way.
    
    Mike

    
    	Mike is the same in person as he writes in notes.  He will be 
    	missed around here (CXO).  I would imagine he WILL get to see 
    	this somehow.....
    
    	If anybody wants to get in touch with him contact me.
    
    	It just won't be the same in here anymore....
    
    	Claybone

    What a drag !  Although Mike JN is a Donk fan and all, I gotta say
    I'm gonna miss his twisted humor (he really knows how to get under
    us Raider fans' skins), and untimely commentaries. It won't be the
    same Donk bashing without you bud, God bless.
    
    Carlos

    He was warped, but in a fun kind of way... Good luck Mike, if there
    was a Detriot (tm) salute out there, it would be for you... 

    
    	Definetely one of the funniest guys to ever grace the electronic
    stage of SPORTS.  
    
    	Good luck Mike JN.
    
    						 glen j.

    	To the guy who made junk noting an art form, I can only say
    that Roger Clemens sends his regards.  8^)  Take care man.
    
    				/Don

Well, this ol' Downsizing thing is making a lot of people really pissed off.

There was a letter to the editor in the Courant this morning about the
closing of Enfield.  Basically the letter stated that this company should
be getting rid of managers, not the flesh and blood backbone underneath.


Why do I have the feeling that this downsizing lottery, and all its
ramifications, is being handled with all of the skill and technique of a
botched up abortion?  

I think this company has lost the ability to treat its employees like people,
and we've fallen prey to all the political pandering that I've seen in many
other companies...

To whoever said we are losing key players:  AMEN, you've hit it right on.


Too bad The Powers That Be won't listen to the little guys.....


'Saw

    Suggestion to moderators:
    
    Change the opening flag to
    
    "In memory of Al Cote.  In the spirit of Mike JN."
    
    I think he'd appreciate that.
    
    	--dan'l

    Damm, just got in here after a 2 day absense and THIS greets
    me with my first note!
    
    What a major-class bummer and day ruiner.
    
    My heart really goes out to ya Mike JN, and I wish ya the best
    of luck and success.
    
    I'll miss ya buddy, thanks for the many years of reading pleasure.  You
    truly have a rare gift.
    
    Kev
    

	Mike JN,

	I had fun at The Trial with you, and always enjoyed reading what
you had to say. Hope you and Mrs. Mike JN land on your feet. I bet
you will.

	Jim M

    
    >Someday, I know I'm gonna be partying with this guy...
    
    >Hawk
    
    Someday, Hawk, you will have partied with *everybody*.
    
    Dickstah
    

That's Hawk's lot in life.

Some of us are here to work, some to play, and some to piss and moan and
gripe all the time.

Hawk is here to party with every man and woman that he can before his time
runs out.  He is a totally rad, bitchin' to the max, you can't touch this,
Party Dude!


Gawd, when he came out with that Donnie Wahlberg torch line, I almost
peed myself.....

'Saw

    Give Mike my regards ... he will be missed by me.
    
    Doc

    OK, I'll admit it, it was all my fault.  The facist moderator in me
    took over.  I never thought they'd fire him.  I just wanted to put a
    scare into him, really!  I got back from vacation and there was a ton
    of junk notes in here and I snapped.  I knew that Mike JN was at the
    root of them all and had to do something to get him to stop.
    
    OK, before I start getting hate mail, I was just kidding.  You hear
    about layoffs at other places all the time lately.  It's really
    starting to hit home as more people that I know are leaving.  Good luck
    to Mike.  I'm sure he'll land on his feet.  With that sense of humor
    and outlook on life, you gotta know he's going to do OK.

From what I've heard the layoffs are getting worse.

I mean, it used to be they gave you a package and gave you time to look
around.  Now I'm hearing all kinds of stories about personnel walking up
to folks, tapping them on the shoulder, and that's that...

If you ask me it's a pretty piss poor way to treat people.  I realize we
gotta downsize and all that stuff, and we gotta be thinkin' about bidness
and all, but really, it's getting to be just like the government.
ie.  if the rich make the tax laws, who do you think they're gonna tax.

They oughta go around and interview a bunch of us peons, so that they
can find out which managers are hangin' out, building empires, hiding in 
their offices, and who are resisting all this wonderful change we've got
going here.  THOSE are the folks who should be going.

I can see it now....in six months there'll be ONE employee left, with 
5,000 managers to oversee him.  And the managers will all be wondering
why we're not making money.  So they'll work the guy harder and harder
until he finally drops.  

geez, must be Friday if I'm gettin' on my high horse....

'Saw

    I just saw in VTX that we just appointed another VP.  
    
    Mike

    The funniest bit Mike JN ever did, IMO, was actually 2 bits - the one
    about the lady with the hat - I saved that note and read it a bunch of
    times - and the one with 'how they made scenes in movies' and talks
    about the guy falling down the well.   Man, I've got a chesire cat grin
    just thinking about those two notes.
    
    Well, Mike JN, good luck, have fun with Big Suze, and remember, you
    could always re-up and get back into God's fighting unit!
    
    JD

    I guess as NoTY it's my duty to make a few comments over the
    Mike's coffin...
    
    >Mike was one of the best.
    
    Boy, ya got that right.  Mike was indeed one a the best.  He 
    combined intelligence with a perverted sick sense of humor that
    made me jealous.  The guy seemed really bright and could really
    right.  I'd *steal* like to corner him in a bar and teach him a
    thing or two about politics, but I have to admit that he turned
    me around on "coach" Lou HitSome's ability to teach defense.
    
    I don't feel badly for him, though.  A guy like Johnston almost
    certainly will end up much better for leaving the too-comfortable
    womb that we Digitites are hooked on.  Dunno what he did for DEC,
    but I know several ex-Digitites, top flight guys, who left Digital
    for one reason or another and have since improved their work scenes
    while doubling their salaries.
    
    Remmeber, while Mike probably just entered a positive growth phase
    in his career, Al lost his life.
    
    re: Frank's high horsery
    
    You have a_attitude problem, buddy.  These are Harvard MBAs running
    this company, and they know how to plan and proceduralize in a way
    that a_engineer like you probably couldn't even fathom.  Just look
    at the facks: We have management that manages more than any other
    management cadre in the world - with the possible exception of IBM.
    These people know how to design extremely elegant systems whereby
    intense focus on delivery *process* allows us, as a company, to put
    a dynamic interface between us and the market in such a way that we
    are able to adapt with extremely flexible ever-changing metrics,
    matrices, and mhods.  These fine systems have enabled us to deliver
    the most intensive mass managerial effort every deployed in industrial
    history (World War II excepted).
    
    Sure, we've missed markets, hired incompetent people by the thousands,
    allowed Personnel to intercede on operational management prerogatives
    for purposes of social programming, have developed an obscene cost 
    structure, and have lost control of line management's ability to
    facilitate and implement changes made necessary by declining gross
    profit margins in the computer industry (changes already implemented
    by the rest of the industry)... but these are mere blips on a chart
    that represents some of the most finely honed management schemes other
    major industrials haven't even dreamed of, yet.
    
    Straighten your attitude out, Frank.  Before you cast the first stone,
    take stock a yourself.  Hail, I bet if I gave you one a them 12 page
    memos from these MBAs you wouldn't even be able to *understand* what
    the hail they were trying to say!  8^o
    
    Lawdy, help us all!
    
    MrT - NoTY 1990

 Like the rest of ya I'll truly miss him.  always funny always able to take
it as well as dish it....

 good luck Mike...


 mike

    I can't really add much except to say Mike, you will be missed. 
    *Badly*.
    
    His notes during The Trial were truly historic, and, although he was
    definitely an anti-Dean man, he got his digs in with terrific style and
    humor.
    
    BEST OF LUCK, MIKE JN!!!!
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

       Thanx for the Yucks Mike!!1. I'm sure you'll do just fine.
                                    Denny

Mike JN, chin up dude, DEC is not the end of the world, it's kind of
like Camden, New Joisey right about now. Youra funny, sick man and I'm
sure you will succeed in your next endeavor. Take a vaca, relax, have some
fun and go get em.


Steve

Yep, MrT, yer right, I pro'lly wouldn't understand a thang one of them
MBA types said.  Course, most o' them book-lairnin' types are real good
at that there stuff....back on the farm in He-BRON we call that stuff
bull-hooey.  Why, I'd lak to have a few o them thar MBA types on the
farm, cause they'd be real good at slingin' the ol' bull-hooey outta them
ol' stables....8^)

Seriously, I was rollin' when I read your essay there, and the problem
as I see it is first, they need a good helping on COMMON SENSE, a commodity
you will probably agree with me is in short supply in the country today.

Second, they've forgotten the engineers' Credo of Keep It Simple, Stupid.
The KISS principle, applied to this company, would go a long way. 

Lastly, I agree whole heartedly about Mike probably doing much better outside
of DEC.  I've known several people who have left this place, and enjoyed
the luxury of income averaging when filling out their tax forms.

I just hope we don't lose too many key players in the DownSizing Lottery...


'Saw

      Didn't notice this note 'til today....Sorry to hear Mike JN was one
    of the people thats was tapped last week.  I worked in the same
    location (CXO) as he, but never met the guy.
    
      He was quite humorous and a straight forward kinda a guy here in
    notes, plus he is a Bronco fan.   Good luck to ya Mike!!!
    
    		Tim

    Geez, I was out 3 days for PI, then I couldn't get in the conference,
    and now I find this!
    
    Personally, I'll really miss Mike.  He was, to me, one of the funniest
    guys in here.  I really appreciated his sense of humor.
    
    To think that we'll never see another reference to Big Suze again is
    depressing.
    
    If anyone in here has contact with Mike, please give him my best regards.
    
    Lee

   >   <<< Note 141.35 by COMET::JACKSONTA "You forgot the Violin again!!" >>>
   >                        -< Watch whatcha say...... >-
   > 
   >    Didn't notice this note 'til today....Sorry to hear Mike JN was one
   >  of the people thats was tapped last week.  I worked in the same
   >  location (CXO) as he, but never met the guy.
   >  
   >   		Tim

    Hey Tim, just feel lucky that you're not working a mile south.  I'm
    sure you've heard by now that our whole building (CFX-Forge Road)
    is shutting down.  It's a bit strange to show up at the usual 7:00am
    and be able to find parking by the front doors.  Needless to say,
    there isn't much work that gets done fast.  
    
    Cowboy
    

Cowboy --

What of you, then?  Are you looking within DEC?  Do you have anything
yet?

Want us to keep our ears open????

'Saw

    re: 'Saw
    
    I should be here til the end of September to finish up some media
    experiments and tests then take the current package.  There's no
    way I'd move from Colorado (we came here to live--not to work for
    DEC) but thanks for asking about DEC jobs.  And trying to get on
    where Tim is (and MIKE JN was) isn't smart either.  The odds are
    they'd give me the boot in a few months--with a smaller package 
    or none at all.  
    
    The wife and I have a business at home that should pick up the
    slack financally.  Besides, we're both getting tired of driving
    an hour to and from work every day.  We live outside of an old
    gold-mining town (Cripple Creek) that is about to get legalized
    gambling and should have some interesting work before long. 
    
    Cowboy
    

Is that the "Cripple Creek" of "The Band" fame? 


Steve

Cowboy --

Good to hear that you're a little more prepared than some of the other
folks I've heard about.   Best of luck to you when you do make the move.
Be sure to remind us about a month ahead in here, so we can shower
you with SPORTS accolades and all 8^)


Steve --

Damn, you beat me to it.  That's the first thing that came to mind....


re legalized gambling:

	Connecticut is getting a casino.  Course, all the power that be
	are rip-shit over it, but it's on an Indian reservation, and they
	fought it all the way to the Supreme Court (State or Washington, I'm
	not sure).

	But anyway, it's supposed to open by the November.  Should be
	interesting....

	(Attention /Don, Bull, Dinz -- sounds like a get together hint hint)

'saw

> Is that the "Cripple Creek" of "The Band" fame? 

> Steve
    
    I'm sure it is.  During the good times, when goldmining was profitable,
    Cripple Creek's population was like 200,000.  There was dozens of
    saloons, parlor houses, etc.  Now there's only a few hundred people
    that actually live in the town.  It IS a hot spot for tourists during
    the summer tho'.  With this small-time gambling ($5 limit) CC should
    get another chance to survive.  I hope it makes it.  This is a really
    fanstastic area--especially when you drive in from Divide on hwy 67.
    The elevation is around 10,000' and as you top the mountain, before
    the assent into CC you're treated with a 180 deg view of the Sangre
    de Cristo and other snowy mtn ranges.  It still knocks the air outa
    me when I go that way.  If you're in Colorado make sure you spend a
    day in Cripple Creek.
    
    and bring your change for pluggin' the one-arm-bandits
    
    Cowboy
    

    	There is already a huge Bingo that is run on an Indian reservation
    in CT.  People come from all over because of the prizes.  And nobody
    witholds any taxes on an Indian reservation.  Of course I would
    let the government know if I came into a windfall.  I would.  Honest!
    
    				/Don

    I visited Cripple Creek about 5 or 6 years ago.  Something of a ghost
    town, but you could see it had real character.  And let me tell you,
    what a trip in the car to get there.  If I recall it was March and
    there was still plenty of snow.  Sheer drops on both sides of the
    windiest rode I've ever been on, and it went on for miles ... and miles
    ... and miles ...  A real white-knuckler of a ride.  I don't envy that
    commute during the winter, Cowboy.
    
    Dan

Yes, there is MASSIVE Bingo with MASSIVE prizes.

You should have heard all the stir and moaning-whining going on over this
Casino.  While the administration is getting on their high horse and 
proclaiming just how bad it will be for society, in the background, you
could hear a large portion of the population of Connecticut sigh with
relief and say "I was getting really tired of driving to Atlantic City".

Hell, I'm sure Connecticut is just afraid they're gonna lose money on 
their cheap ass LOTTO game, which has the puniest prizes of any state
lottery I know of, with a bigger pool of numbers, and the prizes are rigged
to go the the old farts that have about three years left to live...

Casino Gambling?  YEAH!!!!!!

I still think that Slasher, Bull and other interested parties could
have have a get-together on the Reservation.....


I'm game!


'Saw

	I don't know if the tribe is thinking about it but what if they put 
a dog track on the reservation.  The place would clean up.  No more IRS 
agents waiting to take 20% if you win a measley $600.00.  It would be great!
Could you see the IRS agents trying to shake down the patrons as they leave 
the reservation.  HAHAHAHAHA�  Main!  They would fill the place up.  

	'Saw I'm all for a casino jaunt in November.  We all sleep for free 
up your house afterwards.  Right?

				/Don

      Dan,  you must of went to Cripple Creek via Gold camp road outta
    Colorado Springs.  Thats the manly way o go....
    
    		Tim

    re: Cripple Creek
     
    You're right about the drive being a hair-raiser during the winter.
    It's not so bad during the warmer months except when a crazy local
    wants to pass you.  Some of these crazys like to take the curves
    on 2 wheels.  Since you visited CC during the winter it nearly
    WAS a ghost town.  It really only hoppin' during the summer when
    the outa town/state bucks are there.  Of course, when gambling
    starts it should be a real goin' place year round.
    
    Cowboy
    

    
    	Yeah, but Cowboy, what're they gonna do when the next
    	tunnel caves in!!?? ;^)  I guess they could snowmobile
    	up gold camp road eh?
    
    	Claybroon

    re:tunnel
    
    It DID cave in, last summer(?).  Some man was driving to work early
    in the morning and hit a pile of rocks, etc. inside tunnel.  He as
    afraid to back up so sat there for a couple of hours until someone
    else nearly ran into his hiney.  The traffic had to be re-directed
    a longer route for several months while the tunnel rafters were
    virtually rebuilt.
    
    This tunnel will barely allow a van or small truck thru. My kids
    go this way during school field trips and have to squeeze the school
    bus through.  One gal bus driver skims the sides of the bus when
    she drives through.  She also has problems with curves and scares
    the $h!t outa the kids when she runs of the road.  They named her
    "skids" for good reason.  
    
    Cowboy
    

Hawk,

I don't want to open a big can of worms here, but the really sad part about
it is that if the Catholic Church were to open its coffers and dole out
some of their megafunds, they might be able to run affordable parochial
schools, instead of charging hard working folks like you an arm and a leg....

AS to bingo, you're right, it is a riot.  I HATE bingo.  For one reason
mainly, I have NEVER WON.  Swear to the Almighty above, the few times
I've gone,  I can sit there on the final cover card and wait for ONE
freaking number, while everyone else in the place needs like five.
I'll still be waitin' when 20 numbers later, some 400 pounds lady with
warts starts rockin' and shakin' like she's seein' the Holy Ghost, and
Whammo, she yells Bingo and then starts to cackle....

Oh, the only reason I went was because a buddy of mine from another fire
department invited me.  Seems his department used to run bingo to raise
funds for equipment etc.  (You wanna talk about haulin' in major $$$$ talk
Bingo......)


'Saw

	What really cracks me up is that the church, the state etc. have no 
problem with people playing bingo, even to excess, or spending the check on 
lottery tickets, Megabucks, Mass Cash, Mass Millions, and on and on...  But 
if you like laying $20-$50 on a football game you're endangering the moral 
fabric of society, shaking the very foundations of decency, corrupting the 
future generations etc...  I believe it's called hypocrisy.

				/Don

    Add in the fact, /Don, that these state-funded lotteries are one of the
    most un-progressive ways of taxing the public you could possible
    imagine.  
    
    
    - ACC Chris

WELL, they don't mind if you play the lottery because they're making a bigger
cut than if you went to a Casino and saw the cut the house takes.

A while ago, Ct LOTTO sales were way down, because people were fed up with
the puny prizes, having more numbers in the pool etc.....

Hell, I'd rather play BlackJack at a casino.  Those waitresses that bring
the drinks around are a helluva lot better looking that the old lady
with the mole on her chin with a hair coming out of it who runs the
LOTTO machine at the convenience store near me......  

'Saw

Hey Don, 

If the state could figure out a way to have folks lay $50 on a football
game, and make a big cut of money in the process, they'd be taking bets
tomorrow on Saturday's WLAF game!


'Saw

    	I say legalize all gambling and tax those that make their living
    off it, i.e. bookies, casinos etc.
    
    	     			/Don

    re:gambling taxes
    
    I've heard that Nevada tax on a slot machine is 90-some %.  But, when
    you figure the 100's of thousands that go into each machine, its still
    big $$ for the casino.  
    
    $$Cowboy$$
    

>   Add in the fact, /Don, that these state-funded lotteries are one of the
>    most un-progressive ways of taxing the public you could possible
>    imagine.  
>>    
>    
>    - ACC Chris


I've seen this mentioned in many a place (so I'm not picking on you Chris) but
I still fail to see it. How can a lottery game be a tax? Is somebody forcing
poor people to play the lottery across the US? Does a lottery ticket cost $5
if you are poor and $1 if you make over 50k a year....Do you need a w-4 statement
in order to buy a ticket?


Maybe There's something here I don't get..........


Metz

>Is somebody forcing poor people to play the lottery across the US
    
    Force has nothing to do with it.  If you view it as a tax, it's
    extremely regressive.  It's income for whatever agency sponsors it. 
    Whether people are forced or not, it serves just as a tax.
    
    But then, people began voting so-called Conservatives into office
    who have made the federal tax system more and more regressive, setting
    an example for every other agency who wants such an income.  The same
    holds true for cigarettes and beer.
    
    Remember, these are the basic tenets of the original Reagan plan for
    this country.  It was BS then and it is BS now.
    
    Dan

On the other hand, I'd bet a humongous prized national lottery would 
go a long way towards reducing the national debt.  The trade off of
course is that the rich folks wouldn't be a ticket, but poor
Minnie Mouth-to-Feed, the local bag lady, would probably pick up a day's
cans and bottles just to buy a ticket.....

It's only fitting that this turned into a junk note.



Steve

    > But then, people began voting so-called Conservatives into office
    > who have made the federal tax system more and more regressive, setting
    > an example for every other agency who wants such an income.
    
    > Remember, these are the basic tenets of the original Reagan plan for
    > this country.  It was BS then and it is BS now.
    
    Yeah, like that nasty Tax Reform Act of 1986 that did away with all
    those deductions and rolled back rates in a more simplified bracket
    structure.  Saved a guy like me living off one-and-a-half medium 
    incomes, with kids and limited deductions, a few dollars.  Seemed
    progressive to me, and one of the few decent and fair things Reagan
    accomplished.
    
    glenn
    

    Mike JN was a staunch conservative and I'm sure he woulda reminded Dan
    that conservatives are generally against lotteries.  They were the only
    ones to significantly oppose Zell Miller's (essentially) single-issue
    state lottery campaign platform.  (Miller won the Georgia governership
    in a landslide.)
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    I was going to write lock this note since the last 20 (at least)
    replies have nothing to do with Sports, and don't even have anything to
    do with Mike JN's departure.  Then I saw Digger's note and
    
    
    almost changed my mind.
    
    I suggest that the political rathole be moved to SOAPBOX or someplace
    more appropriate.

    What I don't get is why we cain't have state lotteries on such
    important topics as when John Elway's gonna blam the coaching staff
    for the Bronco's sub-.500 record, when the Red Flops will win the
    World Series, or when Mr T. will ever make sense.
    
    NAZZ

You don't have to convince me that Poor people buy more lottery tickets than
rich people. I still don't see how it is tax. I think of a tax as something
that inflates the price of a good or service so that when I buy it a percantage
goes to the govt. Either that or it's a percentage of my salary that goes to
the govt.

I don't think a lottery ticket fits either of those models.

There's free choice associated with buying a lottery ticket and everybody knows
the govt is the one running it and reaping the benefits.


Metz