Conference 7.286::sports_91

    I was reading one of my friend's fashion magazines over the weekend.  I
    saw some interesting statistics on kids who wear (and kill for) sports
    apparel.  Here are some of the stats (approx.) that I remember:
    
    	- Of the random kids surveyed wearing L.A. Kings jersey's and/or
    	  caps, only 15% of them could name one player on that team.  Of
    	  course, that player was Gretzky.
    
    	- Only 5% of the kids wearing L.A. Kings clothing could answer
    	  at least one of the following questions correctly:
    
    			o Who did the Kings play last and who won?
    			o In what arena do the Kings play?
    			o What division do the Kings play in?
    			o How many players are on the ice at the
    	   		  start of a hockey game?
    
    	  There were a couple more but I can't remember them.
    
    	- Only 35% of kids wearing L.A. Raider clothes could name a 
    	  starting player on the defense.
    
    	- One individual who was totally decked out (head to foot) in
    	  Georgetown clothing could not name a player on the team or
    	  any player who had ever played for Georgetown.  He said he
    	  just liked the colors.  
    

    
    95% of Cleveland fans don't know there is an outside world in addition
    to their own. ;^)
    
    Dickstah
    

    Best uniform: Penn State's
    
    Seeing the Lions vs. Pitt was to see a resplendently clothed outfit 
    up against 11 wrecthed fashion victims.  I really think that those
    awful Pitt unies affect their play in a negative way.
    
    2nd best: Notre Dame's
    
    Commentary on Cleveland Brown's uniforms: Brown.  Ugh.
    
    GOT to luv the Bengals' outfit!  Whoever designed the Nuggets' unies
    should be taken out and shot.  I've always luved the Gougetown Horrors'
    colors, but the disgusting program/coach keels the effect.
    
    Anybody noticed all the people wearing UNLV colors of late?  Why not,
    what with their millionaire forwards, not to mention those cheerleaders.
    At the Gopher game yesterday somebody said that they looked like hookers.
    Then somebody else said, "why not?  They are!"
    
    MrT

    I don't think Pitt's football uniforms are that bad...well, except when
    they wear the gold pants and white shirts...OK, I agree.  But when they
    wear the blue shirts, I think they're kind of nice.
    
    What I really hate is what Pitt did last year with their basketball
    uniforms.  Like the Lakers and ND, they wore gold both home and away. 
    White should be the mandatory home color.  Gold is too dark a shade to
    be considered "home white."
    
    	--dan'l

    The Bengals, T?  Ugh.  I've agreed with you in the last file and in
    this one until you got to that observation.  Grotesque.  Simply 
    grotesque, those tiger stripes...
    
    And what is it you guys see in those Hornets' uniforms that I'm
    obviously missing?  They look like a modern dance outfit or
    something...
    
    glenn
    

    I like the Hornets colors (teal and purple).  It's the designe that is
    kind of bothersome.  And what's gonna happen when teal meets the demise
    like some other crayola colors?  Anyone ever notice the black hornet
    emblem on the waistband, however?  Now that would be tough if it were
    on the shirt.  Instead, we've got a muppet mascot.
    
    Alexander Julian designed those uniforms.  There was an interesting
    article in this weekend's paper.  Our AA Cubs team in Charlotte, the
    Knights, last year wore Julian-designed uniforms.  They were all black,
    had thirteen different colored pinstripes, blue numbers and names you
    couldn't see unless you were in the front row, and, get this, matched
    the color scheme of the stadium.
    
    Ol' Alexander is all POed now because the Cubs have ordered the Knights
    to change to a more mainstream uniform...that which matches a Cubs
    design.  A Sports Illustrated writer remarked of the old uniforms:
    "It's obvious Alexander Julian never threw a baseball in his life."
    
    Julian's response to this is: "I've been monitoring what this man
    wears.  It's like an illiterate criticizing Hemingway."
    
    Ewwwwwwww!  
    
    	--dan'l
    
    PS:  FWIW, I hate Hemingway and I was an English major.

    > Alexander Julian designed those uniforms.  There was an interesting
    > article in this weekend's paper.  Our AA Cubs team in Charlotte, the
    > Knights, last year wore Julian-designed uniforms.  They were all black,
    > had thirteen different colored pinstripes, blue numbers and names you
    > couldn't see unless you were in the front row, and, get this, matched
    > the color scheme of the stadium.
    
    I saw a picture of this uniform in SI.  It's utterly hideous by any
    standard--  baseball, art, design, whatever.  The man should be
    committed.
    
    glenn
    

    Alexander Julian?!  :^)  'Nuff said on *him*.
    
    Dan'l you're right, it was in the whites that I saw them this year
    and it looked bad.  They do look better in the blues.  Did I ever
    tell ya I saw Tony Dorsett & Co. in that classic matchup in Notre
    Dame Stadium?  What a game.  Freezing drizzle throughout, and Tony
    ran for well over 300 yards.  The lead went back and forth, with
    Pitt losing the game as a last second FG attempt hit the cross bar,
    bounced up, and then dropped harmlessly short a foot or two under
    the watchful eyes of, you guessed it, Touchdown Jesus (they were at
    that end of the Stadium, the north end as I remember).  
    
    Best college grid game I ever saw in person.  Nobody tailgates like
    the Irish alumni do.  Never saw so many RVs (or drunks) in my life.
    
    MrT

    Bengals uniforms are mega-cool! The only thing they need to do is put
    the tiger stripes on the socks instead of a solid orange sock. This
    design beats the hell out of the old uniform that just had a orange
    helmet with "BENGALS" written on it. Hard to tell who was who when they
    played the Browns.

    What IS it with Carolina and ugly uniforms?  I mean, I ain't gonna
    criticize those baby blue uniforms worn in Chapel Heal, but suffice
    is to say: SISSY !!
    
    Big10 Tom

    re: .-1
    
    Reminds me of a bowl game a lotta years ago where Carolina was playing
    Texas and a fog decended over the field.  You couldn't see squat for
    uniform numbers, but there was one guy in baby blue who was swarming
    all over the place, laying devastating hits on various folk.
    
    Yup, Lawrence Taylor.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    >Try telling *him* they're sissy!
    
    I don't hang out with addicts, so I'm afraid I won't be seeing LT soon 
    (or Walter, or ol' sex-addict Ho-Ho-Ho, or Fenner, or...).
    
    Saw where Alexander Julian had his noveau unies for the Carolina's minor
    league baseball team owned by the ChiSox nixed by the parent club. When
    it happened some sport's writer spoke out about Julian's goadawful designs,
    only to have the effete hillbilly sniff, "me being criticized by a sports
    writer is like an illiterate criticizing Hemingway."
    
    Haa.  Wonder what macho Papa'd say about these sissy uniforms pervading
    the Star Heel State.  Thank gawd for NCSU, at least *they're* normal!
    
    MrT

    Well, I say we saw one of the all-time worst uniforms on Saturday when
    ND had on those lime green ones.  Never thought I'd see the day when a
    team goes to a color like that.
    
    That's the 4th uniform I've seen ND wearing this season.  They've also
    worn their traditional road blue, home white, home gold, and now this
    lime green.  And they're yet to wear their dark green ones.
    
    Anybody hear any reaction from the Irish faithful regarding these 'hip'
    uniforms?
    
    Joe

    Don't get me started on Digger.
    I've never liked their gold or green uniforms. I didn't see Sat.
    game and did not witness the "lime green" or I woulda still been sick.
    When I was in school there (ancient history) they had the road blues
    (keep 'em),home whites( keep 'em) and home golds (chuck 'em). 
    C'mon Digger , Keep it Simple Stupid (just like your coaching)
    
    I think they ought to get more creative and go to flesh-colored
    uniforms with the gold N. D. emblazoned on their butt cheeks.
    And Digger should be made to wear a sweat shirt with a horse's
    patoot emblem.
    
    Digusteratin'
    MikeL
    

    That's funny.  I was in a Sears and went past the TV department.  I
    thought the color was off on each of their sets (about 50 of them).  It
    took me about five minutes to figure out, after going from set to set
    to set, that ND was really wearing florescent uniforms.  
    
    	--dan'l

    Who decided a spinoff of the Nets logos would be cool for NBA All-star
    uniforms?  That NBA on the uniforms looked sick...
    
    -Walt

    I cannot lie
    
    Doc did!

    The NBA All-Star Uniforms were designed and made by a company in
    Burlington, NC (one of the fabric and textile centers of the US).  I
    think any similarity between this and the Nets uniforms is
    coincidence...I didn't notice any.  Of course, who notices the Nets?
    
    	--dan'l

    >Of course, who notices the Nets?
    
    Grrr!  I'm gonna have to enter "The Top 10 Best Things About Having the
    NBA All-Star Game in Charlotte" for that.  Stay tuned...
    
    Dan

    Joisey has a hoops team?!
    
>            -< Nets...great rookie, great uniforms, great future! >-
    
    ...great organized crime, great toxic waste sites...

    The letters "NBA" didn't look like the Nets logo?  Hmm.. must be me...

    
    > "Whatever happened to Haystacks Calhoun?" >>>
                                
    
    Last I heard, he got into some heavy trouble over allegedly reaping a
    farmers daughter (in broad daylight, while the sun shined!)
    
    The last straw was when he jumped bale, and hasn't been seen since.
    
    Dickstah
    

�    > "Whatever happened to Haystacks Calhoun?" >>>
                                

On a serious note, if memory serves me correctly, I think he 
may have died recently.

I know there was a topic on Calhoun in the WWF:WRESTLING file.
Perhaps you could look there...

'Saw    

    re .25:
    
    Actually, Haystacks Calhoun passed away in December of 1989.  He was
    badly afflicted with diabetes and circulatory problems later in life,
    which eventually led to one of his legs being amputated...a sad end for
    one of wrestling's most popular and colorful characters. 
    
    
    py

    Gee, too bad.... oh well, I always liked him...  Capt. Lou was on
    Eddie Andleman yesterday...
    

Did anybody see the new 49ERS emblem ?

 Yeah, I did, for a brief second on the norts spews.
    
 It looks like it's the same gold background color but it's a new logo with
 white numbers and letters and red trim.   It was the word "49ers".  The
 "4" and the "9" were larger than the "ers".   I thought it looked
 *terrible*.  Their old understated "SF" oval, I thought, was very classy
 and elegant.
    
 Somebody ought to whisper the words "New Coke" into their marketeers' ears 
 and see what reaction they get.
 
 Actually, this might be another of those cynical manipulative business
 plots to get the kids all across the country who've loaded up on Niners'
 gear over the past half a dozen years to replace it all with the new
 stuff.
 
 Nah, they wouldn't think of doing that, would they ???
 
 Bob Hunt

Very rarely does a new logo work better than the old.

Two cases I can think of where it does are the Giants and the Bills.

49ers one sound weak....

'Saw

 � Two cases I can think of where it does are the Giants and the Bills.
 
 ... and the Cincinnati Bengals, too.   The tiger stripes are pretty cool
 and what they replaced was about as boring as you could possibly get.
 
 Bob Hunt

Bob --

Thanks for reminding me.  If I'm not mistaken it used to just say
Bengals, right?  YUK....

And yeah, the Jets were better before.  The problem with that logo they
have now is that when their world class wide receivers are streaking
down field, it just kind of disappears....

'Saw

    
> Two cases I can think of where it does are the Giants and the Bills.
    
    I liked the Giants' "ny" and definitely preferred the Bills'
    Buffalo-nickel standing bison design to that SuperBuffalo! streaking
    job.
    
    Or were you referring to the teams under the new logos working better
    than the old ones? ;-)
    
    glenn
     
    

    You mean I gotta buy all new 49ers paraphenelia?  I just got done
    replacing all my O's stuff from when they changed hat designs a couple
    years ago...

    
    New York's "ny" was much better than the "GIANTS".  Jets' old symbol was
    better too.  Buffalo's was WAY better.  Basically, I hate when they
    try to streamline the logo.  It always comes out looking forced,
    stupid, and less classy.  
    
    I hated the Patriots making their Patriot logo larger, too.
    
    But the Bengals.  That was inspired!  The best helmet in football -
    ever.  The only change I ever liked.
    
    SEAN/BEER=LABATTS

    The Chargers had some great improvements when they put the lighting
    bolts on the pants. It was perfect for the Air Coryell passing game.
    
    The Bills red helmets are UGLY.
    
    Does anyone remember the Giants "transistion" uniforms between the
    classic "ny" and the present "GIANTS" ?
    
    I agree with the Bengals. Great. BTW, they had that design on tap for
    years. (No joke !) Paul Brown was quoted as saying that he preferred
    teh conservative look for an expansion team because he didn't want them
    getting beat on the field AND laughed at as well. (See 1960 Denver
    Broncos)
    
    I also think that Brown was your basic gray flannel dude, and also like
    the simularity to the Brown's uniforms.
    
    Growing up, I was a Vikes fan, I thought (and still think) the helmets
    are the coolest .... ditto for the Eagles.

>    Does anyone remember the Giants "transistion" uniforms between the
>    classic "ny" and the present "GIANTS" ?
    
I'm not 100% sure.

I know there was a lot of fiddling with the red stripe that runs
'mohawk style' up the helmet.  In the old days, it was just the
red stripe.  At some point the stripe was bordered by two thin white
stripes....  

Finally they went back to the plane red stripe....

Can't remember much else though....

'Saw

    Due to an overwhelming outcry by Bay area fans, the Niners have decided
    to scratch their new logo and stick with the old "SF" in the circle.
    
    Joe

     
    Just for laffs, I'd like to see teh new 9ers logo to see how ugly it
    really is!
    
    
    I think the Giants had a "NY" in caps, wth a white outline around the
    letters about the time they played in the Yale Bowl and Shea Stadium.
    That was also when they had white stripes around the red of their
    helmets.
    
    Tom

    re .41
    
    Right. the NY was sort of stylized,a nd they wore blue pants on the
    road. Methinks Craig (Twice The Man Phil Is :-) Morton was QB ...

    I say the 49ers new logo... I think it's in SI this week.  It's
    beaucoup ugly.. like it twas drawn with DECpaint...

>
>    I say the 49ers new logo... I think it's in SI this week.  It's
>    beaucoup ugly.. like it twas drawn with DECpaint...


Agreed.  

Didnt' they finally decide NOT to change it?

'Saw

    The 49ers decided to go back to the old style after som many
    complaints.
    
    

 There were a lot of complaints in the Bay Area about the new logo and the
 complaints themselves were very interesting.
    
 There were a lot of people who just complained because the new one looked
 pretty bush and still some others who weren't willing to give up the old
 traditional one.
    
 But the most interesting complaint that I heard was that very few people
 trusted Little Eddie to keep the team in San Francisco once the "SF" was
 removed from the team logo.   That is, a lot of people felt that this logo
 change was a subtle opening move towards eventually moving the team maybe
 further down the valley to a new stadium.
    
 If that's what he really wants to do, Little Eddie will have to be a bit
 more open about it next time.   The "public" was a bit smarter than he
 calculated.
    
 Very interesting.
    
 Bob Hunt

    Did anyone see SI a couple of weeks ago? There was an article on the
    WLAF (World League of American Football) and it showed a photo of the
    Commish sitting around the helmets for the various teams. 
    
    A couple of them looked OK, but most were downright UUUGG-LEEE! I also
    won't comment on the team names. I dunno, I don't think this league is
    gonna make it, no matter how much money the NFL throws at it.
    
    Best: 
    Birmingham Fire. Black helmet with red, yellow & orange flames
    shooting to the back of the helmet. Most of the flame part is at the
    front of the helmet, sort of like Michigan.
          
    Barcelona Dragons had a black helmet, with a red & yellow dragon,
    kind of ornate, but fierce enough looking. At least they didn't have
    some tame looking cartoon.
          
    London Monarchs: Gold helmet, with a blue "M" that looks like a 
    royal crown. Not a bad logo.
    
    Worst: 
    Frankfurt Galaxy. Red and Purple, with this cluster of white
    spots in the center.
           
    Montreal Machine: Maroon, with a big "M" on it, light blue and
    gold trim.
    
    San Antonio Riders: Brown, with a silhouette of a guy on a horse, 
    over a backdrop of a Texas flag. Why did I immediately think of Federal 
    Express or UPS when I saw this?
    
    Tom

    The most popular NBA teams based on sales of team merchandise,
    according to Sports Business Today, are:
    
    	1. Chicago Bulls
    	2. LA Lakers
    	3. Detroit Pistons
    	4. Charlotte Hornets
    	5. Boston Celtics