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Conference 7.286::sports_91

Title:CAM::SPORTS -- Digital's Daily Sports Tabloid
Notice:This file has been archived. New notes to CAM3::SPORTS.
Moderator:CAM3::WAY
Created:Fri Dec 21 1990
Last Modified:Mon Nov 01 1993
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:290
Total number of notes:84103

74.0. "CANDLEPIN Bowling note" by NRADM::GALVIN (o..........|||| Candlepins) Wed Jan 16 1991 12:31

    As I have done in the past, I open this topic to a normal discussion
    regarding CANDLEPIN bowling.  I am not looking for arguments on why one
    is better then the other, but if anyone wants to add some comments,
    personal experiences, discussion about the MBA, ICBA, WCBC...I am
    rather well informed.
    
    RTG
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74.1Channel 5 bowlingNRADM::GALVINo..........|||| CandlepinsWed Jan 16 1991 12:3511
    I just wanted to pass along a little info on the Saturday bowling show
    on Channel 5 in Boston.
    
    I had the opportunity to bring NRADM::KINGR (Rick) to a taping this
    past Monday.  Without giving it all away, all I can say is Rick and
    myself were certainly impressed with the level of bowling done.  The
    show I am speaking of doesn't  air until March 2nd.  I will send
    out a reminder as the date approaches.  For anyone who likes this show,
    you won't want to miss it.
    
    RTG                                                                 
74.2GOLF::KINGRMy mind is a terrible thing to use...Wed Jan 16 1991 12:535
     Yowsa... WHat a match!!!.... After watching it all these years it was
    something to see in person.. BTW, Both Tracey and I can be seen/heard
    on this show...
    
    REK
74.3I always wondered......CST17::FARLEYHave YOU seen Elvis today??Wed Jan 16 1991 12:578
    Do candlepinners fondle their balls?
    
    
    ;^)
    
    Inquiring minds and all that.......
    
    Kev
74.5STAR::YANKOWSKASPaul YankowskasWed Jan 16 1991 14:224
    When and where are the Channel 5 shows taped?
    
    
    py
74.6QUASER::JOHNSTONLegitimateSportingPurpose?E.S.A.D.!Wed Jan 16 1991 15:0910
Please `splain `bout Candlepin bowling.

What is it?
Where does it happen?
Use regular lanes?
Regular size bowling balls?
Same scoring?
What makes it different/more exciting/better than regular bowling?

Mike JN
74.7CAM::WAYBo don't know which one's VanilliWed Jan 16 1991 15:2013
Hawk --

I'm rollin' big time!

I'll have to watch, but I don't get that channel.  Is this the bowling
that they show on NESN sometimes?

Did REK bring his dog with him?

Hawk, we don't wanna get too drunk, we might miss the screen altogether
and hit your walls or something (hic)....

'Saw
74.8Candlepins 101STAR::YANKOWSKASPaul YankowskasWed Jan 16 1991 15:2916
    re .6 (anyone who bowls candlepins more often than I do feel free to
    correct any of the following or add more info):
    
    Candlepin bowling is played in New England and a few Canadian
    provinces.  The pins are long skinny pins, a little over a foot high
    and about an inch or so wide (don't know the exact dimensions).  The
    balls weigh around three pounds, and are about the size of a softball. 
    I think the lanes are the same length as regular tenpin lanes. You get
    three balls per frame vs. two in tenpin bowling. One other big
    difference in candlepins is that the deadwood is not cleared between
    shots like in tenpins.  Scoring is the same as in tenpins (except that
    if you knock down all ten pins in exactly three balls it's scored as
    ten).
    
    
    py
74.9MCIS1::DHAMELGet out your maps & erasers, classWed Jan 16 1991 15:4512
    
    I don't know the exact dimensions, but I think the pins are closer to
    three inches in diameter, and slightly tapered on the ends.
    
    Another reason the game is more difficult is the spacing between pins
    in relation to the size of the ball.  "Chopping" out the 1, 5 pins is
    common, as is chopping out the 2-8 and 3-9.  In my case, the second
    ball and the third ball usually pass through the same hole.  In
    tenpins, a ball going right between two pins can get 'em both.
    
    Dickstah
    
74.11A little more on the sportNRADM::GALVINo..........|||| CandlepinsWed Jan 16 1991 15:5353
    RE: py.....CLOSE!
    
    Candlepin bowling was invented (as a modification of nine pin) in the
    great city of Worcester (Wusta) for you outta staters, around the turn
    of the century.  It is predominantly played in Mass, NH, Maine, and the
    province of New Brunswick Canada.
    
    The pins are 12" in height, and vary from 2 1/2 to 2 3/4" in width. 
    The ball is about the size of a softball, and can legally weigh between
    2 lbs 4 oz, and 2 lbs 7 oz.  The lanes are exactly thet same dimensions
    of ten pin, or duck pin.  3 balls per frame, scoring is the same.
    
    A typical score in candlepins for a first timer is anywhere from
    80-100.  Most "Pro's" will average between 115-135.  Depending on the
    house averages will vary.  Massachusetts is know for it's "honest"
    houses, while some of your New Hampshire houses tend to be "fast". 
    Lane conditions determine the fastness.  Most of the 130 bowlers of NH,
    would only be in the low 120's in Mass.
    
    Candlepin bowling is governed by the International Candlepin Bowling
    Association ICBA.  The professional tour is governed by the World
    Candlepin Bowlers Congress  WCBC.  To be eligible for the WCBC, you
    must maintain a 112 for men, and 105 (I think) for women.
    
    Because of the economic boom of the 80's, a lot of houses have been
    sold to developers.  Candlepin bowling has gone from a family game to a
    competitive game.  Most alleys accomodate leagues, but suffer due to a
    lack of "open" bowling.  
    
    As for TV in New England, there is only one MAJOR show, and a few
    others.  WCVB Channel 5 in Boston has had its shown on the air since
    1959.  It consistantly outnumbers all sports shows on TV during the
    weekend.  The prize money is not bad, but the competition to get on the
    show is tough.  It is very rare to see a sub 120 bowler on the show.
    
    Other shows include Candlepin Doubles (right after the singals show on
    Saturday).  This show teams two men/wommen as a team, against another
    team.
    
    NESN (pay cable) broadcasts Big Shot Bowling.  Only WCVB "Pro" bowlers
    are eligible for this show.  Most of the bowlers on the channel 5 show,
    also appear on NESN.
    
    WNDS TV50 (Derry, NH) broadcasts Stars and Strikes.  No limtitations,
    but most of the bowlers come out of NH.
    
    There are other "regional" shows I am not aware of.
    
    As for the show Rick and I witnessed, you won't be able to miss us. 
    For those with a color TV, I am the one with the white shirt and red
    tie.  Rick has the green shirt.
    
    RTG
74.12correctionNRADM::GALVINo..........|||| CandlepinsWed Jan 16 1991 15:575
    RE -1
    
    I meant to say only WCBC bowlers can be on NESN.
    
    RTG
74.13VAXWRK::NEEDLEMoney talks. Mine says "Good-Bye!"Wed Jan 16 1991 15:596
>>BTW, Both Tracey and I can be seen/heard on this show...

Getting to be a regular occurence for Rick.  Anyone who watched Det Klein bowl
last week could hear Tracey prominantly in the background.

j.
74.15Strikes aren't as easy to come by...SALEM::DODAForeign policy by Andrew Dice ClayWed Jan 16 1991 16:2610
For more comparison, the house I bowl at Park Place in Windham 
NH, has a house pool for 4 consecutive strike. It's open to any 
league bowler who throws in a buck. It hasn't been hit in close 
to 6 months, it's 6 grand.

Last year, I threw 3 with 9 drop on the 4th. The pot was 10K.

Couldn't sleep all night.

daryll_who_carries_a_115_in_a_dishonest_house
74.17Makes for a rough Tue. morningSALEM::DODAForeign policy by Andrew Dice ClayWed Jan 16 1991 16:4811
Nope, I bowl on Monday nights. Since we don't start until 9pm, we 
close the place every week. Nice small league, 4 teams. It's 
nice, you can yell out stuff like, "That's safe", when the other 
guy has a single pin standing with a lunberyard in front of it.

My favorite line is, "Geez, what causes that?" after the guy just 
punched out 1-2 pins.

Hawk, Academy is a real dump. Is that where you bowl or Pilgrim?

daryll
74.18Park Place is the fastest!NRADM::GALVINo..........|||| CandlepinsWed Jan 16 1991 16:5122
    RE: Park Place lanes
    
    Not to put down these alleys, but they have got to be the fastest
    alleys I have ever seen.  Stars and Strikes tape their shows there. 
    You can see that they put a lot of silicon on the plates.  I never seen
    pins slide across a plate so easily.  All you need to do is tape them
    and they fall.
    
    A buddy of mine bowls there periodically.  He taped 3 shows for Stars
    and stikes on one sunday.  His three total scores for the day were: 
    446, 382, and 456.  To me, that is unheard of.  He is a great bowler,
    but those scores don't happen that easy.  By the way, he is the top
    seed, in for the Stars and Strikes championship.  He is also the guy,
    Rick and I went to watch monday.
    
    I am going to bowl in the star and strikes roll-off at park place lanes
    on January 27.  Any hints I should know before I go up the Darryl?
    
    Londonderry is another fast house in NH.  If you want an honest house,
    come to Crowell Bowl in Stow.  Just ask Jeff Needle.
    
    RTG
74.19SALEM::DODAForeign policy by Andrew Dice ClayWed Jan 16 1991 16:5815
Yeah, even I'll admit that Park Place is fast. We call it 
"lively". Great pin action.

My league bowls on the same lanes that Star and Stripes uses.

I live in Londonderry and think Londonderry Bowling Center is a 
dump. Of course, I haven't been there in years, but I recall them 
being what you'd call "honest". I call em dead.

Tips from me? RTG, if you've made the cut for Star and Stripes, 
you don't need advice from me.

I keep trying and have come close, but never made the cut.

daryll
74.20CHIEFF::MACNEALPapa MacWed Jan 16 1991 17:172
    How can you have an International organization for a game that is only
    played in 3 states?
74.21ICBA Rules!NRADM::GALVINo..........|||| CandlepinsWed Jan 16 1991 22:2712
    RE: -1 Mac,
    
    New Brunswick Canada is a member of the association, hence, the
    opportunity to use the International title.
    
    The World tournament is held every year.  Teams as well as individuals
    are sent from MA, NH, ME, and Canada.  Every other year the tournament
    takes place in Canada.
    
    RTG
    
    P.S....Mac, how's that DEC Rugby tie I gave you last year?
74.22CAM::WAYBo don't know which one's VanilliThu Jan 17 1991 08:287
�    P.S....Mac, how's that DEC Rugby tie I gave you last year?

Is that serious, or a joke.  If serious, and such a thing exists,
don't hold back...serious ruggers need to know.

If it's a joke...hahahahahahahaha(tm) 8^)

74.24VAXWRK::NEEDLEMoney talks. Mine says "Good-Bye!"Thu Jan 17 1991 09:407
>>If you want an honest house, come to Crowell Bowl in Stow.  
>>Just ask Jeff Needle.

There you go, blaming the alleys for your recent slump (I should be so lucky as
to slump to a 115).

j.
74.25Another fast houseNRADM::GALVINo..........|||| CandlepinsThu Jan 17 1991 10:2710
    Thanks for the compliment Jeff.....but if I don't get out of this
    slump soon, I am gonna kill myself.
    
    Speaking of "Fast" or "dishonest" houses and Haverhill....How about St.
    Josephs lanes.  I think it is in Haverhill.  The last channel 5
    foll-off held there, ended up with 12 guys going over 700 for 5
    strings.  In most houses, between 650 and 700 will guarnetee a spot on
    TV.
    
    RTG
74.26correctionNRADM::GALVINo..........|||| CandlepinsThu Jan 17 1991 10:3011
    My fingers are getting out of control.
    
    I meant "Roll-off" in the last reply.  A roll-off is how you get on
    channel 5.  It consists of 5 strings of bowling at a qualifying house,
    typically ones home alleys.  Then the top 3 bowlers go to the area
    finals.  At the area finals, you compete against the top 3 guys from 15
    houses.  The ONE guy who comes out on top, goes on TV.  As you might
    imagine, it is very difficult to beat 45 guys, let alone 45 good
    bowlers.
    
    RTG
74.27BOSOX::TIMMONSI'm a Pepere!Thu Jan 17 1991 11:478
    Yeah, St. Josephn's is in Haverhill.  That's pretty much where I grew
    up!  I started setting-up pins when they first opened up, 1953, I
    believe.  
    
    Anyway, the manager is new.  The former manager retired last year, so
    maybe the new guy is doing something to the alleys.
    
    Lee, who spent many an hour, and a buck, at St Joe's.
74.291-7-10 jackpot worth...WFOVX8::MORRISONWelcome to wartimeThu Jan 17 1991 13:006
    re a few back...
       'Saw, if the Channel 5 bowling show is the same one I'm 
    thinking of (Don Gillis, Lou Spara as lob line judge) then
    it's shown on WGGB TV40 outta Springfield
    
    Bull~
74.30GOLF::KINGRMy mind is a terrible thing to use...Thu Jan 17 1991 13:2211
    Re:29 It is the same show.
    
    Weinie Way... The dog ran out in front of a truck the day before
    we were going to get him.... :-}
    
    Hawk
    The show is on at noon... by that time you usally have a couple of
    pops in you already and I know you couldn't hit the broad side of a
    barn after that!   :-}
    
    REK
74.31and those argyle socksNRADM::GALVINo..........|||| CandlepinsThu Jan 17 1991 16:396
    RE:  Bull,
    
    Lou Sfera (sp) is no longer the lob line judge.  Ralph Stuart has been
    the lob line judge for a few years now.
    
    RTG
74.32WFOVX8::MORRISONWelcome to wartimeThu Jan 17 1991 18:177
       (Sound of hand slapping forehead) Ralph Stuart! How did
    I forget? My brain musta time-warped back a few years.
    
    Nelson Burton Jr and Billy Welu weren't on that show, were they? :^>
    
    Bull~
    
74.33JUPITR::DESROCHESA sad case is 24 emptiesThu Feb 14 1991 22:0119
    
    Wanna try a fast house? Go to Colonial in Worcester. I average 107 at 
    Bay Path in East Brookfield and went to Colonial once, bowled a 390 and
    had so much silicon on my balls (bowling ones) that when I got back to
    Bay Path, I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Threw something in
    the 280's for 3.
    
    Gawd Tracey, wish I could slump to a 115!!!!!!!!!!
    I was averaging 105 this season until I went down with Carple tunnel
    and had my hand operated on. Should be getting back soon, but will have
    to miss the states. Not enough strings. Had the pleasure of bowling
    right next to Mr. Galvin in the state teams a couple of years ago in
    Wouburn. He had a tough day, if I remember right, but he wasn't alone
    ;^(.
    
    Keep whackin'em.
    
    Phil
    
74.34I'm back from the sun!NRADM::GALVINo..........|||| CandlepinsMon Feb 25 1991 11:2417
    Hey Phil, nice to hear from you again.  I just got back from FLA where
    I forgot about bowling and had some good games of golf.
    
    Now that I am back, I am ready to bowl.
    
    The Mass States are now upon us.  I am hoping to enter all events this
    year.  Of course, I will need to find a good female partner, for the
    mixed events.  Sorry to hear you won't be participating.
    
    I guess last saturdays Channel 5 show was pre-empted for the president. 
    Does anyone know if this is true?  If so, I get to watch it this week. 
    This is the show REK and myself are in attendance for.  Shouldn't be
    missed.
    
    Well, I've got to get back to 95 unread A1's.
    
    RTG
74.35The show will be on this coming Saturday according to WCVB.VAXWRK::NEEDLEMoney talks. Mine says "Good-Bye!"Mon Feb 25 1991 13:200
74.36FDCV06::KINGJesse's Jets!Fri Mar 01 1991 12:163
    Be sure and look for Tracy and me tomorrow... CHannel 5 at noon...
    
    REK
74.37Shouldn't be missed!NRADM::GALVINo..........|||| CandlepinsFri Mar 01 1991 12:184
    And while you are watching Rick and me.....you may want to pay close
    attention to the AWESOME bowling that will be exhibited.
    
    RTG
74.38AGNT99::CHILDSI was testing the bounds of realityMon Mar 04 1991 09:469
I guess that was quite a match and these guys are partners? Can't believe
one of them didn't get a triple. Most exciting match I've watched in a
long time. I saw this scrawny looking guy with a 10:00 shadow and Mork
 is the King of Comedy T-shirt on, was that you REK???

 ;^)<-many of these

 mike
74.39Good match.CUBIC7::DIGGINSWhat the hell is that?Mon Mar 04 1991 09:507
    
    That was an exciting match. Both bowlers threw double strikes late
    in the third string and both missed a $1000 bonus for a third strike
    by one pin! 
    
    
    Steve
74.40An Embarrassing Moment in Sports7221::JHENDRYJohn Hendry, DTN 297-2623Mon Mar 04 1991 10:289
    While this isn't candlepin, there is no 10-pin note to put this in.
    
    Pete Weber had finished with a 213, leaving Del Ballard, Jr needing 2
    strikes and a 7 to win the PBA's $150,000 Fair Lanes Open on Saturday,
    televised live on ABC.  Ballard got the 2 strikes.  With 1 ball to roll
    for the 7, he threw a gutter ball, costing himself the match and
    $14,500.
    
    John
74.41Bringing you up to speedNRADM::GALVINo..........|||| CandlepinsMon Apr 01 1991 13:1822
    Two good shows this past weekend.  Sorry I didn't notify people before
    hand, but I didn't think Olszta was due on until this week.  Anyway,
    anti-climatic as it may be.....Tommy O handed Gary Carrington his first
    loss in a few weeks.  Final score, Olszta 448, Carrington 413. 
    Carrington and Olszta are now 1 and 2, for the $20,000 championship show
    in August.
    
    Carrington has been directly involved in the three of the four highest
    total shows in the 32� year history of the show.
    
    On the doubles show, Carrington teamed up with Joe Ashline (who you
    remember Carrington beat 4 weeks ago 451-424 ((second highest show in
    history))), to beat Joe Tavernese and Tom Cenami.  Carrington and
    Ashline should be able to last a few weeks on this show.
    
    And while on the subject of these two, Channel 50's Stars and Strikes
    championship series is underway.  Ashline and Carrington are seeded 1
    and 2 respectively.
    
    The Massachusetts 'State Tournament' is well underway, and I haven't
    done "crap" yet.
                                                                       
74.42It was a classic!WORDY::NAZZAROUMass: NIT Final Four now; NCAA nextMon Apr 01 1991 13:569
    The Olszta-Carrington match was a classic!!!!!!!  Carrington shot a
    160 first string, Olszta shot 158 in the second.  It's pretty even
    coming to the last four boxes.  Olszta goes strike, spare, spare,
    strike, strike (double strike in the 10th) to pull away.
    
    My mother is a big candlepin fan, and she called me up during 
    the match, going nuts on the phone!
    
    NAZZ
74.43Mr Candlepin, Tom O.NRADM::GALVINo..........|||| CandlepinsMon Apr 01 1991 14:0613
    RE: Tom Olszta......Mr. Clutch                                    
    
    This guy has been on the show 57 times, and he is only 35.  He made his
    first appearance when he was 16.  He also won the Mass State Men's
    tournament when he was 17.
    
    Unfortunately (you may not want to tell your mother this), he came up
    lame during the last taping, and gets beat.  He could hardly walk,
    let alone bowl.
    
    We'll definately see him back in August for the "big" bucks.
    
    
74.44Would I stoop to that? Sure!WORDY::NAZZAROUMass: NIT Final Four now; NCAA nextMon Apr 01 1991 16:548
    Hmmmmmmm - Olszta comes up lame, eh?
    
    Maybe I can take my dear ol' mom for a few bucks!!!  Or at least
    some free babysitting!!!!!
    
    Thanks for the tip!
    
    NAZZ
74.45VAXWRK::NEEDLEMoney talks. Mine says &quot;Good-Bye!&quot;Mon Apr 01 1991 16:584
>>    Maybe I can take my dear ol' mom for a few bucks!!!  Or at least
>>    some free babysitting!!!!!

You're old enough to stay home alone, Nazz.
74.46OVERAVERAGE TOURNAMENTLUDWIG::WHITEHAIRDon&#039;t just sit there.......Do it now!Mon May 06 1991 09:3276
    
    	Ok, the qualification rounds for this tournament started back in
    December......and I haven't seen anybody write anything about it.
    
    			THE OVERAVERAGE TOURNAMENT
    
    	Is anyone in it?
    
    	To pull my own string and to explain what it is...
    
    	Sence December, the top 6 bowlers of the month with the highest
    overaverage score, 3 games combined.  It cost 1.00 each time you plan
    to try.  So, durring league play, you pay your buck and bowl your
    regular league game.  If you bowl over your average and are one of the
    highest overaverage bowlers of the month, you get your name on the
    chart.  At the end of the month, the top 6, automaticly get entered 
    into the semi finals held last weekend.  This went on up untill the end
    of last month.
    
    	Well, my girlfriend and myself entered durring our last league
    game. Beleive it or not, we both made the cut.  I bowled 31 pins
    overaverage and my girlfriend bowled 26 pins overaverage.  I got the 
    6th spot and my firlfriend got tied for the 4th spot.  My average is 
    94 and my girlfriends' average is 74.
    
    	The semi finals which were held last Saturday went well.  My
    girlfriend bowled great...94...74...84.  I didn't do that bad either,
    111, 84 and a 105.  My girlfriend got a handicap of 108 pins and placed
    4th out of 20 women.  I placed 7th out of 25 men.  The top 6 bowlers go
    to the finals, held in western Mass.  Jeane goes, no questions asked.
    	
    	Now for the funny thing...In the mens division the second place guy
    screws things up...As everyone is standing around to see who won, one 
    guy steps up and says that he didn't bowl what was written, a 119 by
    the way, which placed him in second place.  The 119 game was his first
    game.  Someone asked, what did you bowl?  He said, there was a 40 pin 
    difference....He bowled a 74!  WHAT?  The guy at the desk just said, Oh
    well, there is nothing he can do about it, sorry, here is your money
    and you still go to the tournament.  Well, this sort of pissed me off
    because I was the 7th place finisher, only 2 pins behind the 6th place
    finisher.  So, after the lane manager listed the guys who will go to 
    the finals, I say, so, I don't get to go?  The second place guy started
    telling me he was sorry.  What good does that do?  Then he said he
    wasn't going to go to the tournament because his wife had also made the
    tournament and he was going with her.  He told the manager this and I
    was then informed that I was eligable to go.  Thats all fine and good
    but, the question remains, this guy got the second place money.  In
    all actuallity, he shouldn't have gotten anything.  I should have
    gotten the 6th place money instead of the 7th place money...what a rip!
    
    	Is this kind of thing normal?  Someone in here said they knew all
    the rules?  I don't.  I've only been bowling candlepin one year...this
    year.  It doesn't sound right to me.
    
    	Anyway, the finals is on the 19th of this month...the grand prise
    is
    
    
    
    
    
    				$ 2 5 , 0 0 0 . 0 0
    
    
    	
    
    I'm not sure if I'll go or not though, I feel my girlfriend has a
    better chance than I because of her handicap.  
    
    One other thing, most of these people that bowled in this tournament
    are really jerks.  They were really stuck up.  We are not pros but it
    did feel good to say to ourselves, TAKE THAT!
    
    	There, I feel better now!
    
    	Hal
74.47Oh yea, that tournament!NRADM::GALVINo..........|||| CandlepinsWed May 08 1991 13:1841
    Hal,
    
    I would be interested in kowing what house you qualified in.  That
    sounds absurd.  All I can add is that, the manager is to blame for the
    screw-up.  He is the 'official' scorer, and is solely responsible for
    verifying the scores.  I work one night a week at Crowell Bowl in Stow. 
    We held both of our house roll-offs last week.  The way we run it, is
    each bowler is given a scorecard to fill out.  He is the one
    responsible for entering his score.  The manager then picks up the
    cards after EACH string and verifys.  If this guy indeed bowled a 
    lower string, we would have caught this.  It sounds as if your place 
    didn't have individual scorecards.  Also, for the money.....For us, we 
    had the top 6 places receiving the same amount per person.  The 
    remaining money was then distributed in cascading order.  1st thru 6th 
    got the same amount, plus a trip to the area finals.
    
    Personally speaking, I qualified in February.  Going into the mens
    finals, I had this to look back on - 2 years ago, I ended up in dead
    last for the house roll-off.  1 year ago, I ended up in 1st place in
    the house roll-off.....So, what do think for this year?  40 guys
    bowled, I came in 20th.  Right in the middle this time.
    
    The womens 'area' finals are in Stow, so you can be assured there will
    be no screw-ups.  As for the grand prize, I have to make a slight
    correction for you.  The 25K is spread across 5 places, in 6 areas. 
    Only the top 5 finalists get money.  Gauranteed first place per area
    per man/woman is $1,000 and a weeks trip to Citrus Hills in Florida. 
    Accommodations and air fare included.
    
    Needless to say, I won't be bowling in the finals.
    
    As for SNOBS.....That's hard to take for me.  I have been bowling for
    23 years.  I consider myself (some could argue this) an above average
    bowler.  Snobbing people beacuse they don't have above par averages is
    not the norm where I travel to.  I bowl in about 15-20 different houses
    in the course of a year.  Eastern/Southern mass, and Southern NH, are
    all corteous people and houses.  I have not bowled out 'west' in 10
    years so I can't comment there.  Hope this attitude people have doesn't
    take you from the game.       
    
    RTG
74.48ClarificationNRADM::GALVINo..........|||| CandlepinsWed May 08 1991 13:274
    Re; my last note.
    
    The money is distributed to the top 5 finishers per area.  ~60
    men/women will cash.
74.49your right.STRATA::WHITEHAIRDon&#039;t just sit there.......Do it now!Wed May 08 1991 15:5443
    
    	RTB,
    		I didn't know how the money was split, but knew there
    	was 25 grand involved...thanks for clearing that up.  
    		The way the scoring went, was, all the bowlers were 
    	responsible for keeping score durring the game.  We had the
    	regular score sheet for writing the game results.  One of the
    	bowlers would write each players score on this sheet and when
    	all the bowlers were finished bowling on their two lanes (one game)
    	the score sheet was taken up to the person who wrote the score on
    	the tournament roster.  We would then move two lanes over and bowl
    	one more game...etc.
    		You would have thought this guy would have checked the
    	tournament roster after each game.......or at least sometime 
    	before the final scores were being tallied.
    		I bowled at the Athol, Lucky Lanes...downtown Athol.
    	They have 12 lanes.  Our league only had 6 teams in it.  The 
    	guy that owns the lanes is a very nice guy and the people who
    	work for him are also very nice.  Its just that they one guy
    	who was keeping the final tally, I feel, screwed up.  The owner
    	of the lanes was not there when the tournament ended.  
    		They paid six places in  the womens division and 8 places
    	in the mens division.  I placed 7th and got 10.00.  I understand
    	that the first place woman got only about $30.00.  I have no idea
    	what the 1st place man got.
    		In my league, there were only a few people who were jerks.
    	These were the *very* serious ones.  Most of the people that were
    	in the tournament was taking it very seriously too.  I mean, there
    	one time when I forgot what ball I had thrown, I thought it was the
    	third and reset the pins.  No one said a thing...I went back to the
    	guy scoreing and asked....he said, yep I had only thrown 2 balls.
    	Now, if I had noticed someone getting ready to reset before
        throwning all his balls, I would have told him so.  
    		Anyway, the mens tournament is held in Hadley and the
    	womens tournament is held in Ayre, I think....some Valley lanes.
    
    		I'm suposto go to the league banquet next Saturday and I'll
    	ask the owner then about the thing durring the tournament.
    
    		Later...
    			Hal
    
    		
74.50Let's talk moreNRADM::GALVINo..........|||| CandlepinsWed May 08 1991 20:5316
    Hal,
    
    It is unfortunate that the rules are not consistant, but between you
    and me, I don't expect the over average tourney to be back next year,
    unless they revamp it.
    
    Well,  best of luck to you and your girlfriend if you do go.  One thing
    to remember, everyones chance to win is the same.  To me, it is a
    little tougher for a 125 bowler to beat out a 95 bowler because of the
    format.  
    
    I would like to discuss this "handicap" thing with you (probably off
    line).  It was my understanding that no handicap is involved.  I will
    follow-up withj you on this one.
    
    $1,000 and a trip would be enough to get me to go........RTG
74.51The Ultimate Bowling showGOLF::GALVINWhen GOLF goes down, go golfin&#039;Tue Aug 20 1991 13:2833
    Well, Saturday August 24th is fast approaching, and we all know what
    that means......The True Value Candlepin Championship show!!!!!!!!!
    
    It will air from 6:30 to 8:00 saturday night on channel 5 in Boston. 
    This is a live show (the only one of its kind).
    
    The format for this years show is different from previous.  The number
    on seed will only bowl in the championship round.  5 will bowl 4, then
    the winner bowl 3, then 2, then championship.
    
    Prize money is the same - 10K for first, 5K second, etc. etc.
    
    The show will be held at Pilgrim Lanes in Haverhill MA, for anyone in
    the area.  Get there early, as seats (especially ones in camera view)
    to fast.
    
    The show consists of the 5 guys (or women) with the highest total score
    on the regular show for the past year.  REK and myself were witness to
    the number 2 seeded guys show.  I am not 100% sure of this, but I have
    heard that the number 1 seed for this year, will actually make it on
    this saturdays regular show.  This may be somewhat confusing.  The
    regular show has already been taped for air on the 24th at 12:00. 
    According to a source, Gary Casey will role a 450-something on that
    show, making him number 1 seed for the live show at 6:30.  If this is
    indeed true, then the 12:00 this saturday should not be missed.
    
    The other bowlers escape me except for Gary Carrington and Paul Berger
    (former DECcie).  It will be a great show nevertheless.
    
    Be sure and tune it to the number 1 rated sports show in Boston!!!!!
    
    RTG
    
74.52oh ah - woodie time - cain't wait - pant pant ;^)CST17::FARLEYHave YOU seen Elvis today??Tue Aug 20 1991 13:451
    
74.53True VAlue ChampionshipGOLF::GALVINWhen GOLF goes down, go golfin&#039;Mon Aug 26 1991 09:4231
    Well, the results are in......I know each of you, espcially Kev have
    been holding your breath.
    
    The winner of the $10,000 first prize, is Gary Casey of Fitchburg MA. 
    He beat Joe Tavernese, from Lynn MA, who had climbed all the way from
    the fourth seed.  Joe got $5,000 for his efforts.
    
    Results:
    
    1st match - Tavernese beat Paul Berger ($1,000)
    2nd       - Tavernese beat Tom Olszta ($1,500)
    3rd       - Tavernese beat Gary Carrington ($2,500)
    Championship - Casey beat Tavernese 265 to 245 in a 2 string match.
    
    
    BTW, the WCBC (World Candlepin Bowlers Congress) aka "The Pro Tour" 
    gets its 1991-92 season under way in 3 weeks.  The first tour stop will
    be held in Brocton MA.
    
    Rules for being on the tour are Men - must carry a 112 average minimum. 
    Women must have a 102 average minimum.  Costs for the year are $375 for
    men, and $300 for women.
    
    Officers for this years WCBC are, President - Mike Morrill, and VP Joe
    Ashline.
    
    WCBC bowlers are also eligible for the NESN shows broadcast throughout
    the year.
    
    RTG
                                          
74.54I taped it so my mom could watch it lasted night!TNPUBS::NAZZAROPennant Fever? I&#039;m immune by nowMon Aug 26 1991 15:168
    This was a great show.  Tavernese was hot right from the start.  He
    buried Paul Berger 151-111, then had two survive a lob and a scary
    finish from the always explosive Tom Olzsta 138-130.  Tavernese then
    swamped Gary Carrington 141-108 before running out of gas against
    Casey.  He was actually up by eight pins after the first string,
    but Casey pulled away in the second string of the finals.
    
    NAZZ
74.55Sad News!!!GOLF::GALVINScott me up, BeamieMon Nov 04 1991 12:1126
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    For those of you who follow candlepins, particularly the TV shows, here
    is some sad news.
    
    About a week and a half ago Peter Flynn (who coincidently has appeared
    on the big three TV shows; Ch 5, Ch 50 and NESN in the last three
    weeks) suffered a brain hemorrhage.  He has been admitted to Methuen MA
    hospital for treatment.  Early indications are not good.  The number
    one concern is whether or not he will live.  Whatever happens then is
    up to a higher force.
    
    Peter is only about 35 years old, and has been one of the top candlepin
    bowlers over the last 20 years.  He has been named Pro Bowler of the
    year more then once, and hold many of the records on the TV shows. 
    Most of the guys heading up to Canada for next weeks World Invitational
    Torunament will be dedicating it to Pete.
    
    Good Luck to him on a recovery.
    
    RTG
74.56A Reeely Big Show!GOLF::GALVINCandlepins o..........!!!!Mon Mar 23 1992 11:5619
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    I have to let some people in on the results of an upcoming Channel 5
    (Boston) bowling show.  Because of the Mass State Tournament, WCVB has
    taped several of its upcoming shows already.  This past Monday, Paul
    Berger (an ex-DECcie) taped the show to air on May 2nd 12:00.
    
    Paul ended up with scores of 158, 149, and 193, for a three string
    total of **500**.  This is the highest triple ever thrown on TV.  For
    you non candlepiners, it is very difficult to throw a 166, let alone
    average that for 3 strings under the hot lights.
    
    Mark it in your calendars.  May 2nd....Crank up the VCR for this one.
    
74.57WowSALEM::DODAOn the Jelly Donut and Pez DietMon Mar 23 1992 12:320