Conference 7.286::sports_91

    Geez, I agree with 95% of the base note.  And in the SPORTS
    notesfile...  This is getting erie...
    
    Chip_GSH_Bach

Randall Cunningham chokes on the big one all the time.  The nod
has got to go to Rice. 

8^)

>    Offensive RoY - Jeff George, Colts. I stand corrected, he's going to be
>    a better QB than I thought he could.
    
    Wow!  Do my eyes deceive me ?
    
    Seriously, I agree with most of your picks.  On your AFC coach of the
    year, I agree wholeheartedly.  Everyone talks about Levy (he was good,
    kept the bickering Bills in line) and Knox but Art takes the cake.
    

    I can kind of see your point on John Stephens, Doc, but the guy did
    rush for over 800 yards behind a pretty pathetic offensive line this
    year.

 * NFC Offensive Player of the Year :

       Jerry Rice...only the 4th player ever to catch over 100 passes

* NFC Defensive PoY - Nobody had an outstanding season...Pepper Johnson
       I vote because he does everything for the Giants...

* NFC Offensive Rookie Of The Year  : Emmitt Smith...great draft choice for 
       the cowpokes...

 * Defensive RoY :
    
    Mark Carrier, Bears - no disagreement here....  

* Coach Of The Year :

    Buddy Ryan - slapped his offensive coordinator upside the head ofter 4 games
    and turned the eagles around. Watch them fall apart next year...

    Flop Of The Year - Lions...I expected at least .500 this year
    Suprise Team Of The Year - Cowboys
    The One Good Year Award - Don Majowski, Packers...100% on this one..
    Most Improved Player - Rodney Peete. Could be best off season conditioning
               program also...arm strength went up considerably this year.


AFC Offensive Player Of The Year :

    Steve Deberg...only 4 ints. Great year for him and the Chiefs. 

Defensive PoY - Bruce Smith Bills....

Coach Of The Year - Chuck Knox...I thought the Seahawks were gunning for a 
     patriot like season this year. The fact that he had them in playoff 
     contention still amazes me.

Flop Of The Year _ Cleveland...
    Most Disappointing  Team - Pittsburgh...I was sure they would win the 
        central easily...
    Suprise Team Of The Year - Miami
    The One Good Year Award - Brian Blades , Seattle
    The "Where in The Hell Did He From" Award - Derrick Fenner, Sea 
    Most Improved Player - Barry Word, KC.
    Ownership Stupidity Award - Art Modell
    
    Worst player of the year award...Marc Wilson...Pats...

    re .4
    
    Yeah, Stephens ran behind a weak line, but it seemed to me that he
    didn't have the fire of his rookie year (of course, with that O-line,
    it's understanderable), and Marvin Allen ran better - at least when I
    saw him ....

    Most Overrated Player Award: Worn Moon (tm), Houston Toilers (tm)
    
    >The numbers speak for themselves
    
    Yeah, and when a QB gets 14,934,241,290,083,451 pass attempts in a
    year his totals might tend to be higher.
    
    MrT

    
    
    Does anyone know what Cody Carlson's numbers were in the last game of
    the season?
    

>>    Does anyone know what Cody Carlson's numbers were in the last game of
>>    the season?

Yeah, he was 283-283823841487123491897 for a hundred bazillion yards.
    

      In reply to .0 and .5, I disagree with the statement on Majkowski.
    
      Check out the Packers record after he went out with injury.
      1-5.  They lost their last five after beating an 'awesome'
      Tampa Bay team.
    
      Yeah, it took him a while to get it together after the holdout
      but he started really getting it going.  They beat the Vikes,
      played the 49'ers dead-even before losing 24-20, and blew away
      the Raiders in LA.  Seifert said Majkowski was the next Montana.
      The Raiders players all complimented him.  He played those games
      with a line that allowed more sacks than any other team in the
      NFL.  In short, the Pack was on a roll until he got injured in
      spite of playing behind that line.
    
      Perhaps the Packers finish after he could no longer play suggests
      to you he made no difference?!
    
      The doctor who performed the surgery stated that Majkowski's rotator
      cuff tear was a case of a recent injury doing more damage to an
      already partially torn rotator cuff.  The guy played through a
      rotator cuff tear the last couple years at least.  (It was known
      he played in pain.  The guy IS tough.)
                                                       
      Realizing Majik stunk things up for awhile on his road to being
      ready after his holdout, nevertheless my own thoughts are that
      you guys are light years off-base with your label on Majik.
    
                                            Tony
      

Tony,

How many good years has Majic had ?

That's why he got the one year wonder award. Injury or No if you don't perform
for more than 1 season you're going to get people on your case about it.

Metz

    
    Yes Majkowski has had only one good year, but he still ranked 8th or
    9th in stats even though he missed 6 games this year.  Now 8th or 9th
    is not much to crow about, but extrapolate those numbers to a
    complete 16 games and he's in the top 5.  
    
    I agree he does have to prove himself next year and the year after, but
    I don't think its fair to put a "one year wonder" lable on him because of
    an injury.
    
    Pat
       

    Moons numbers where not inflated....does anyone have the Pass-Run
    ratio for Moon this year and compare that to the 49ers pass-run
    ratio for the last 3 years or so...By comparision if Moon is an
    over rated QB than so is Joe Montana..!!!!
    								MAB

      Metz,
    
        I suppose if Majik was out all year with some kind of injury
        and you'd have given him the award, then its just a matter
        of us perceiving the meaning of the award differently.  So
        we might really be in agreement about Majkowski and not the
        award.
    
        One perception of the award is the guy who had one good year
        and ended up not being much the rest of his career.  In other
        words a flash in the pan who was overrated.  The other way is
        like you said.
    
        With your own definition to be applied, I would then agree.
        But, I'll bet a lot of people took it the other way and saw
        Majkowski as an overrated player etc., etc.
    
        Maybe I'm just bleeding Packer green!  It was a tough season!
    
        BTW, I second the defense for Moon.  Over-rated??  His completion
        percentage was good, wasn't it?  I think he's excellent.
    
                                                Tony

    T is just bitter because his idol, the so-called 'genius' Glanville,
    brought a fairly talented Falcons team in at 5-11.
    
    Moon on the other hand, proved himself to be the Top Gun in the AFC.
    Nuff said.
    
    re Majkowski,
    
    He had a great year in 89, then holds out for Montana-like bucks, based
    on one season. Ridiculous. As a result of the holdout, he gets injured,
    and stayed injured all year. 
    
    Perhaps I was being a bit to strong in calling him a flash in the pan,
    but he certainly is far from having proved himself ....
    
    Doc

Tony,

I agree with you 100%. Notice I gave Brian Blades my flash award. He was a 
player that was uninjured all year yet still managed to do nothing.

I think that the jury is out on Magic. He had a great year in '89. This year
he started out lousy (holdout which I blame on him) then played like a ball
of fire, then got injured.

I guess we'll have to wait till next year to see if he comes back and
performs ala '89 or plays like '88 or remains injured and gets the tag
"injury-prone" attached after his name.

Metz

    DOn't you need to re-catogorize these awards - one for teams that play
    real football, and another for the few teams who insist on playing
    girly-mon, wimpy football in domes, like Houston and Detriot (tm)?
    
    Thurman Thomas was AFC Offensive Player of the Year for Real Teams.
    Warren Moon was the same for Girly-mon, stat-building, wimpy teams.
    
    Bruce Smith was DPOY in AFC.
    
    IN AFC, I go with either Jerry Rice of the Niners or Montana for
    Offensive Player of the year, though Random Runner deserves some
    praise, and for defense, it is very tough, and I give it to the Giants
    as a team, with the 49ers second.
    
    JD

    � though Random Runner deserves some praise, 
    
    This was the most over-rated, over-hyped player in the league, if I
    recall some of your earlier thoughts, right, JD ???
    
    No doubt the hype on Randall has been a bit much at times.  But the man
    can play and play spectacularly at times as well.  And he's a perpetual
    thorn in the Jints' sides.
    
    Bob Hunt

    Boy some people need a logic shot...If you throw more passed then
    anyone else than maybe that should be equal to gaining more yrds
    although if Hodson had thrown the most pass attempts I doubt he would
    have the #'s moon has....If you had an alawimpy QB in a run and shoot
    you would have a low percentage of completions and a high interception
    rate...also would not make it to the playoffs......No one has entered
    the Moon Pass-run % compared to the Montana pass-run %, SF may not call
    there offense a run-and-shoot but I bet there pass-run% is preety damm
    close to Houstons......I guess that would make montana an alawimpy QB
    as well as the whole SF 49er team.....This is of course using logic
    from previous notes in the file....

      Re: Majkowski
    
    Yeah, looks like we have a lot of agreement.
    
    Except for the "Majik was injured because he held out" logic.
    
    I wouldn't let the offensive line off that easy!!
    
    Ultimately, I just hop he makes it back.  Though its not likely,
    the injury might be career threatening.
    
                                        Tony

    JD, you picked the Jints defense over the Niners huh ?
    
    Need I ask you what happened when the two met head to head ?
    
    Or what's going to happen this Sunday ?

>    Need I ask you what happened when the two met head to head ?
    
Which means about as much now as when Houston and Cincy met head to
head in the game that Houston won.....

8^)
'Saw

    Bob,
    
    I still think Randall is way overrated, but he did put up good numbers,
    in a real offense.  I think he RUNS way too much, but....
    
    DOC,
    
    I've defended the Niners defense in the past, and overall, the Jints
    defense, is IMO, better, but the Niners defense is very, very good.  Of
    that I've never doubted.  In fact, I"ve said in the past that they are
    as big a reason for the Niners success as Joe and the offense.
    
    JD

>       <<< Note 68.22 by EARRTH::BROOKS "They call me Melody Cool ..." >>>
>           -< They may not have the BIG names (except) Lott but ... >-
>
>    JD, you picked the Jints defense over the Niners huh ?
>    
>    Need I ask you what happened when the two met head to head ?
>    
>    Or what's going to happen this Sunday ?

What did happen this Sunday, Doc????

    The Giants have a much better defense than the 49ers.  And much more
    consistent.  People might be misled by the fact that the 49er defense
    looked so good in perhaps the two biggest games of the football season
    (9er-Giants I and II), holding hte Giants offense without a touchdown,
    but that is because they are unaware that the Giant offense is
    decidedly mediocre.
    
    Dan

    Schneid, just where do you rank the Niners defense ?

    >Schneid, just where do you rank the Niners defense ?
    
    Well behind the Giants.
    
    Dan

    >          <<< Note 68.28 by DECWIN::SCHNEIDER "I JUST WANNA SHOUT!" >>>
    >                     -< Barely in the same league >-
    >	>Schneid, just where do you rank the Niners defense ?
    
    >	Well behind the Giants.
    
    Go to note 79.80, go directly to note 79.80.  Do not pass go, do not
    collect $200...
    
    
    py     

    
    re: .28
    
    
    You forgot the punctuation and comments...
    
    >  Well behind the Giants.
    
    Should read...
    
    Well... (hmmm, hoping)... behind the Giants?
    
    

    re .28
    
    The writer of .28 perhaps rates a "mostest" designation.  That would
    be "the most opinionated with the least factual basis" designation.
    Dan, shame on you for your total incapacity for feeling that cleansing
    emotion.
    
    MrT

    Most Overrated 	Dastistickal (tm) beneficiaries of these "hurry
    			up" offenses (e.g., Worn Moon, Hank Gaithers, et
    			al).  Cain't leagues, writers, fans, analysts 
    			even bother to figure ratios such as "yards per
    			pass attempt" or "average points/shot?"
    
    Most Pompous	Dean Smif'.  Nuff said.  But oh don't forget the
    			Miami Dolphins coach, thinks he's a demi-God now
    			don't he.  And what about Paul Tagliabue, YUK.
    			But *my* favorite is the animal-rights activist and
    			lawyer Tony LaRussa - ever seed a team/coach go
    			from the heights of dignified excellence to the 
    			yawning depths of blame-laying backbiting under so
    			little pressure haa.  Even started haggling with the 
    			players' wives in the press!  Great winner, but if
    			you're into serious geeking Tony is a dyn-oh-mite
    			Loser.
    
    Most Awesome	I'm having a Shack-attack !!
    
    MrT

    Most Overpaid, Egotystical(tm), Underperforming, Troublemaking Dork:
    
    		Erving Fryar! 
    
    From today's Globe there was an article on Irv being a no-sho because
    he's unhappy with his $500K salary, the team not compensating him for
    being "one of the top 3-4 receivers in the league (ha!)"; not having an
    offense to use the deep pass enough to satisfy him, etc.
    
    Other crap was how he's "in his prime" and he wants to be with a team
    [sic] which will better use his athletic ability"  Ha! 
    
    Off the field, the guy's just a jerk of the 9th order of magnitude.
    On the field, he's mediocre at best - always can be counted on to
    drop a pass at critical moments.
    
    Kev
    

    > Most Overpaid, Egotystical(tm), Underperforming, Troublemaking Dork:
    >
    >		Erving Fryar! 
    
    I see a real conflict of personalties brewing here with Dick
    MacPherson.  Irving is unjustifiably demanding more money (on an
    advance payment of a bonus), while MacPherson continues to trot out
    his philosophies on the good old days of football when there were 
    no agents and players kept their mouths shut and played for the fun of
    it, etc.  I think MacPherson will win this battle because of all of
    Fryar's negative baggage with both the fans and the organization, but 
    I also continue to wonder about MacPherson's ability to cope with the
    realities of the modern professional sports scene...
    
    glenn
      

    It's an incident like this that shows Irving to be untradeable.
    
    John

    Dear Fellow Noters,
    
    I apologize for some erroneous information in an earlier note.
    
    
    Irv DOES NOT make (only) $500k.
    
    
    
    According to the Globe, this year he earns only $800K!!!
    
    Lemme see now, Hmmmm caught 54 passes lasted year, and 54 guzzinta
    $800K... about 14,500 times.    
    
    Yeah, That's it
    
    Irv IS underpaid!!!!  He only gets $14,814.81 every time he catches
    the footaball!  Why I'll bet that some ::SportsWeenies make 2x that
    for every line of bug-free code!
    
    Sh*t, the guy makes more in 10 seconds (assuming he hangs onto the
    pigskin) than I make 3+ months!
    
    :*(
    
    Kev
    
    

�    Sh*t, the guy makes more in 10 seconds (assuming he hangs onto the
�    pigskin) than I make 3+ months!
    
    So, go play football.
    
    I read the Pats shopped Fryar around during the draft and weren't
    offered more than a 5th round choice for him.

    Fryar's got a lot of filberts to be damanding anything, in my opinion.
    
    He is a jerk, and he does have a propensity to drop what could be
    termed as "routine" passes.  I must admit that he occasionally does
    make a great catch, but whatever causes him to not make the less
    spectacular play often puts the team in a hole.  
    
    I can't help but wonder what he might have already accomplished in his
    career if he had played to his potential.  He's got the tools, it's his
    failure to use them that frustrates me.
    
    Where is his head?
    
    lEe

"Where is his head?"

Up his *ss!!



Steve

Kind of reminds me of Ernest Gray who played for the Giants a while ago.

Could catch the toughest damn passes (you know, skying in the End Zone
in the very far corner in double coverage, with two defenders all over him)
but the most routine passes (the fly route, WIDE open, no defender with in
ten yards) and ol' Ernie does the butter fingers routine.....

    
     Dan Revees...
    
     NFL's Most Pin head, banister sliding, knuckle head, bozo, 
                no talent finding coach to ever be allowed 12  
                years of sub par performance and still win 
    		coach of the year twice.  The man has got to
    		go !!!!!!!