Conference 7.286::macintosh

    I don't recall having to do anything other than making sure that the
    "Services for Macintosh" service is installed from the "network"
    control panel and then using  the Server Manager (under Administrative
    Tools) to create a volume.
    
    
    #Gary

    I did this once about 3 years ago (and stopped doing it about 2.9 years
    ago :-), but as I recall, this was explained in the server
    documentation that came with the Server CD (things could have changed
    as to what documentation is currently supplied with NT).
    
    And I seem to recall the same things that Gary mentioned in .1.  Make
    sure you install the Services for Macintosh, then configure it via the
    server manager.  There may have been an addition control panel or
    something related to Mac stuff, but that was mostly it.
    
    					Bob Harris

    I just got an NT machine, no CD or nothing, and this service is not
    listed where you describe. Guess I need to find the CD and do some
    sort of additional installation.
    
       erik

    Hi Erik,
    
    	I got SFM running on three WNT servers here. This is the steps to
    use:
    
    1) Make sure your have a NTFS partition before you start or the install
       won't let you create a UAM volume.
    2) Right mouse button on network neighborhood and select properties
    3) Then select the services tab
    4) Then click the ADD button
    5) Then select Services for Macintosh from the selections
    etc...
    
    I hope this helps,
    
    Johnny Mac
    CSC/CS Afterhours WNT support

    There is no services tab in the Network Neighborhood panel box. I will
    do some more looking around.
    
       erik

    Pull the Start Menu, select Settings, then Control Panel, then click
    the network Icon.  There should be a services Tab on the Network
    control panel.  Click the "add" button and scroll 'til you find
    "Services for Macintosh." Pop the NT server CD in the
    drive and let it do its thing.  
    
    Then from the Start menu again, select Programs, Administrative tools,
    and then Server Manager.  In the server manager you can create new 
    appletalk volumes.
    
    Hope that helps a little,
    #Gary

    That's the other place I looked and there was no Services for
    Macintosh. 
    
    Thanks for the hints.
    
       erik

    Re .7, the steps described in .6 would not help since SFM normally is
    not "deposited" on your system during the standard NT Server
    installation.  You'll need to grab an NT Server CDROM or a pointer to
    where the network kit is to add SFM to your system.  Also make sure you
    are not running NT workstation.  If you're running NT workstation,
    trying to add it later from an NT Server is messy.  The standard setup
    won't allow you to do it.  You'll have to figure how to do it manually.
    If you're running NT workstation, you'll have to upgrade your system to
    NT Server first before being able to install SFM.
    
    SFM support/management in NT 4.0 is quite cruddy.  You'll have to
    continue using the older 3.51 File Manager (WinFile) to create
    AppleShare volumes.  It's not obvious from the Explorer and Mac File
    control panel.
    
    --svb

        re: .8

    --->
    	SFM support/management in NT 4.0 is quite cruddy.  You'll have to
        continue using the older 3.51 File Manager (WinFile) to create
        AppleShare volumes.
    <---

    	You really don't need to use WINFILE to create Appleshare volumes
    under WNT V4.0 server. Server Manager can do that. You do still
    need to use WINFILE to make or modify Mac File associations though.

    RE .7

    --->
    Log a call with the CSC @800-354-9000 anytime between 19:00-06:00 MST
    on Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday nights and I'll be glad to walk you
    through this.

    Johnny Mac

    Please note that you only get Services for Macintosh with NT Server. It
    is not
    parts of NT Workstation. I guess you are running NT Workstation. You'll
    need
    to upgrade.
    
    --Nick
    

    I have Server... when I pull up the "Start" popup, it says
    "Windows NT Server" vertically along the left edge. 
    
    Thanks, I'm going to go looking for that CD now.
    
       erik

    Re .9, indeed you're right - Programs->Administrative Tools->Server
    Manager can also be used to create AppleShare volumes.  I guess i have
    not been used to navigating through it comparing to WinFile.
    
    --svb

I'm searching for something close to this on the other side, so to speak:

Is there any way to access Windows fileshares from a Mac?

I'm using a Mac on my desktop at work, but more and more info is
being disseminated in the form of pointers to Shares...  it's getting
to the point that I may have to punt and get an NT box if I can't solve
this one...

Thanks,
Kevin

    Re: .13
    
>    Is there any way to access Windows fileshares from a Mac?
    
    Try contacting Thursby Software Systems.  They have a product called
    "Dave" which I think does this.
    
    	<http://www.thursby.com/>
    
    					Bob Harris

Thanks.
DAVE looks like what I need.  
Does anybody have any experience with it?

Kevin

MacWEEK recently (3/24/97 issue) reviewed DAVE, COPSTalk, & PC MacLAN (Three 
packages connect Mac OS to Windows 95):

"COPSTalk [$159, V2.1, COPS, Inc.] offers reliability; PC MacLAN [$199, 
V6.0, Miramar Systems, Inc.] is versatile, error-prone; DAVE [$179, V1.0, 
Thursby Software Systems, Inc.] is fast but picky."

The review is online at http://www.macweek.com/mw_1112/rv_mac_to_win.html

I have DAVE 1.0, and it works very nicely for both dial-in and direct connect
ethernet. Once you make the connection, you can mount and PC shares just like
you would an ARA volume, and can also print to PC served printers.

The problems:

    o	Copying is a little slow (fixed in 1.01)

    o	Only the first 255 workgroups are shown (fixed in 1.01). You can still
	access all workgroups, but you have to manually enter them.

    o	Cannot access VMS Pathworks shared volumes (\\node\volume). This can be
	fixed by using the newest Pathworks, although I haven't tested it.

    o	If you have a PowerBook, putting it to sleep requires a reboot in order
	to use DAVE again.

I'm beta testing 1.01 for Thursby, and it looks much faster and more stable
than 1.0, although 1.0 was certainly usable. 1.01 is just about at golden
master status, and should be shipping in a month or so. I highly recommend it.

 - Ken

                 <<< Note 948.17 by EYLAK::BATES "Ken Bates" >>>
                               -< Works nicely >-

    Thursby just posted an evaluation copy of Dave 1.0.1 on their
    home page. Go to <www.thursby.com> to download it. The new
    version is supposed to fix some of the problems mentioned in
    .17

    Bob Anderson

I've been running the DAVE demo for a couple of weeks, and have the
following comments:

1) Be SURE to pull down the DAVE manual from the Web.  It is't included 
	in the demo download, and you'll be lost without it.
1a) DAVE is not at all intuitive to configure.

2) Once connected, it works like a charm.

3) I have had big problems with browsing servers.  I rarely get more than
	a handful to show up in the chooser even though there are hundreds
	onsite, and I've got the list bumped up as big as it'll go.

	If you know the name of a server/share, you can connect just fine
	even if it doesn't show up in the browser list.

All in all, it looks great, and has the (in my case) invaluable advantage of
not requiring the Intel side to run any special software.  This way I can
access the increasing amount of information being published on shares.

Kevin

>3) I have had big problems with browsing servers.  I rarely get more than
>	a handful to show up in the chooser even though there are hundreds
>	onsite, and I've got the list bumped up as big as it'll go.

Version 1.0 was limited to 255 servers. This limit has been removed in version
1.01 (although I don't know what version the demo is).

I agree. DAVE is essential in a world where people are abandoning Mac
connectivity.

 - Ken

> DAVE is essential in a world where people are abandoning Mac
> connectivity.

Let me tailor your wording:

  DAVE is for use in a world where many people never HAD Mac connectivity.

Just as Apple finally (in System 7.5) included the ability to read 
PC media as a standard feature, Apple should include DAVE-like capability
in the OS for interoperability with the Wintel world.
The minority platform HAS to make accommodation to work with the majority,
and (as noted) without modification to the majority's environment.

Being able to read other peoples' shares is the biggest (and most embarrassing)
hole I have in my interworking environment from my Mac desktop.

- tom]