Conference 7.286::macintosh

I'd like to find a nice cheap mac that I could run a program called Hyperproof on.  Hyperproof is a logic engine
that I used in some coursework at RPI and no PC version is available.  Hyperproof requires about 16 megs of memory
at minimum and if someone out there has an extra mac (something above an SE, say) that is collecting dust, I'm
your man.

eric

              <<< Note 8.491 by RICKS::EMUMFORD "Eric Mumford" >>>
                           -< WTB: Cheap, fast Mac >-

I'd like to find a nice cheap mac that I could run a program called Hyperproof
on.  Hyperproof is a logic engine that I used in some coursework at RPI and no
PC version is available.  Hyperproof requires about 16 megs of memory at
minimum and if someone out there has an extra mac (something above an SE, say)
that is collecting dust, I'm your man. 

eric

    Bob Armstrong
    dtn 223-1451
    home 413-625-2216
    dpe1::armstrong

    	Wanted....any external SCSI device, dead or alive
    		(hard drive, floppy, removable, etc.)

    Our school has been given some old computers that have no
    hard drives.  We have small 'internal' hard drives that were
    replaced with larger ones but have no external cases to put
    them in so they can be powered and connected.  We are looking
    for external SCSI cases to put these drives into.

    or any suggestions who might have such things?

    thanks
    bob armstrong

>>  We have small 'internal' hard drives that were
>>  replaced with larger ones but have no external cases to put
>>  them in so they can be powered and connected.  We are looking
>>  for external SCSI cases to put these drives into.

You could check with some of the drive vendors, or look in Computer Shopper.
However, if your school's drives are small, it may not be economical to buy
cases.

For example, APS charges $50 more for an external drive than for an internal
one ... but they charge $130 for a case by itself.

When you can purchase a 2 Gigabyte external hard drive for $400, paying $130
for a case doesn't sound so great.

>You could check with some of the drive vendors, or look in Computer Shopper.
>However, if your school's drives are small, it may not be economical to buy
>cases.

Right, I am not planning on paying $130 for a case.  I did call APS,
and the cheapest they sell is about that.

I see them in www.onsale.com for $40 or so...(its an auction).
A friend just offered a case from a dead CD drive she has...that
should work.  I'm hoping to find them for free.  Even if I can get
them for free, it'll be arm twisting to get the school to cough up
the money for the SCSI cables.
bob

    Bob,
    
    I would call RST in Hudson,or Nashua NH as the last time I was in
    there they had a whole bunch of empty scsi boxes that would fit right
    under a Mac Plus,Classic,and SE etc.... I seem to remember they were
    in the $30 range and with buying a quantity it would cost you less.
    They only needed a drive to be functional.
    
    Rick
    
    

    Fry's has these for about $69...but the quality sometimes varies
    because they keep sticking different brands. One time I got one
    there that was made in Argentina. 
    
       erik

    I bought a couple of emptys from All Electronics in Los Angeles
    last fall.  They were $20 each.  They sell surplus so I don't know
    if they have any now.  Not really for a permanent setup, but it worked
    to temporarily access a previously internal disk.
    
    				-John

>    I bought a couple of emptys from All Electronics in Los Angeles
>    last fall.  They were $20 each.  They sell surplus so I don't know
>    if they have any now.  Not really for a permanent setup, but it worked
>    to temporarily access a previously internal disk.

    right now I'm looking for 'free' surplus...like from
    DEC salvage.  dealing with the Digital Recycle may be more
    than I can manage.  Its amazing how many of these your friends
    have in closets.

    What I REALLY expect I'll have a hard time with is just getting
    the school to findn the money for the SCSI cables and terminators.
    bob

    
    I donated an 88mb Syquest drive to my son's school (High Plains
    Elementary School in Colorado Springs) and they are in need of more
    cartridges. If you have any to sell or donate please contact me.
    
    Thanks,
    Mario

    I need a new internal CD drive for a Performa 575. Does anybody have a
    dead 575 I can buy and scavenge or know where I can order one?
    
    Thanks.
    
    John H-C
    [email protected]
    DTN: 238-4252

    It might be cheaper to just buy a new external CDROM drive.  The
    internal CDs in the 575 are only 2x (I know, I have one).  Spend
    your money on a faster CDROM outside the box.
    
    				-John
    

Look at http://www.macresq.com/PartsParts/index.shtml.

They show the following:

Apple CD300i+ CDROM Drives (2X)         $49ea   (N)  (internal)
Apple CD300i  CDROM Drives (2X)         $25ea   (P)  (internal)

They can be reached at the following:

Address:

     MacResQ 
     179 Mason Circle
     Concord, CA 94520

     510-689-9488 Voice
     888-44-RESCUE Sales-Toll Free 
     510-689-9487 Fax



				Cheers,
				-Abdul-

    I'm looking for two things:
    
    1. A Nubus graphics card capable of 1024 x 768 resolution.
       Must be able to run system 7.5.
    
    2. System 7.1 on HD floppies or CD, in case I don't get a
       graphics card.
    
    				Paul

    Re .504
    
    You can find System 7.1 in Compact Pro archives in the
    HUMANE::MACONLINE archive site.  Look in
    MAC$ROOT:[APPLE.SYSTEM_SOFTWARE_V7_1] for the files.

>      <<< Note 8.505 by SMURF::BINDER "Errabit quicquid errare potest." >>>
>                             -< One's easy.  :-) >-

>    You can find System 7.1 in Compact Pro archives in the
>    HUMANE::MACONLINE archive site.  Look in
>    MAC$ROOT:[APPLE.SYSTEM_SOFTWARE_V7_1] for the files.

    Isn't this copy of 7.1 for 'internal Digital use only'?

    I thought 7.1 was 'sold' and not distributed free.
    bob

    Re .506
    
    It is my understanding that DIGITAL employees are free to use these
    "internal" versions on their personal systems at home but not to
    further distribute them.  This was explicitly the case with the
    short-lived availability of WordPerfect 3.1, and it is also the case,
    so far as I know, with things like the VT320 CTB tool.

    Re: .505, .506, .507
    
    There is indeed a copy in the HUMANE archives.
    
    I'm not concerned with the "internal use only" policy, as this
    is to replace missing disks for a Quadra 700 which, I believe,
    shipped with 7.1 and therefore is already licensed for it.
    
    However there were a few problems using the archive:
    
    1.  The versions of the files are 7.1 SEED.  Not a big problem,
        but not pretty.
    
    2.  The images are low density floppies.  I managed to scrounge
        enough 800K disks to build an install set and took it home
        to put on the Q700.
    
        In order to make it fit on low density floppies Apple used
        a version 6.0.7 system image!  As a result the install and
        disk tools floppies will not boot!
    
    (I hear several old-time Mac folks saying "groan, I remember that
    now...").
    
    Anyhow, I found a set of real 7.1 HD floppies and the Q700 is happily
    running the old operating system.  So I'm no longer looking for those.
    
    I still need a graphics card, as the one I am using won't support 7.5
    without an expensive ROM upgrade.
    
    				Paul