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Conference csc32::consolemanager

Title:POLYCENTER Console Manager
Notice:Kits, Scans, Docs on CSC32:: as PCM$KITS:,PCM$DOCS:, PCM$SCANS:
Moderator:CSC32::BUTTERWORTH
Created:Thu Aug 06 1992
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1541
Total number of notes:6564

1030.0. "PCM and graph console on same time, updated" by 54831::BUGGENHOUT () Wed Oct 11 1995 13:02

hi,

in fact my question is about the same as note 1020 but in a more
modern version and on Digital Unix. I do not know VAX/VMS so the
replies to 1020 are not that clear to me.

Next config : 

Alphastation 600, UNIX, PCM V1.6 wants to monitor the console of a

AlphaStation 250, UNIX. This 250 station has a graphical console 
and is needed for visualisation of images that is way this one
can physically not be disconnected.

Is it possible (without RS or terminalserver) using pseudo-
terminal definition to capture the console messages of the 250
and redirect to the 600 ?
Is there anything special to do on the 250 ?

Thanks very much

Regina Buggenhout
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1030.129067::BUTTERWORTHGun Control is a steady hand.Wed Oct 11 1995 16:5926
>Next config : 

>Alphastation 600, UNIX, PCM V1.6 wants to monitor the console of a

>AlphaStation 250, UNIX. This 250 station has a graphical console 
>and is needed for visualisation of images that is way this one
>can physically not be disconnected.

>Is it possible (without RS or terminalserver) using pseudo-
>terminal definition to capture the console messages of the 250
>and redirect to the 600 ? Is there anything special to do on the 250 ?
    
    Not really. Your question has a rather long history actually. There has
    been a long standing issue with OSF/Digital Unix systems in terms of
    remote management. The problem is that if you SET CONSOLE SERIAL Motif
    doesn't work. On OpenVMS systems you can set the console to be the
    serial line and still maintain full functionality on the graphics head.
    There is a push to allow this same functionality on Digital Unix. See
    note 93 and it's replies for more info.
    
    Regs,
      Dan

Thanks very much

Regina Buggenhout
1030.2another view54831::BUGGENHOUTThu Oct 12 1995 06:3214
hi Dan,

thanks for the info, so i conclude that all the workstations that need to
keep their graphical interface for some reason cannot be managed in a central
way via PCM, correct ?

Now what about systems where the customer is happy with the 'serial'
console ? In the config that is proposed i do not see any terminalserver
and so on ..... then how do we set these systems up in the PCM config ?
Can we have a 'simple VT' as console (so system is directly and local 
reachable) AND manage this system on the same moment via PCM ?

Regina

1030.3update .254831::BUGGENHOUTThu Oct 12 1995 07:1912
sorry, just got other info giving me a better view on how it
should work :

ignore the remark on the 'serial' console ... we want to keep
the graphical interface and redirect via serial port to central
station 600 (via RS or terminal server) but there are a lot of
doubts over here that xdm can not be started 'off side' 
/dev/console.

Concrete is will test this in real life this afternoon or tomorrow 

Regina
1030.4name of 'graphical device'54831::BUGGENHOUTThu Oct 12 1995 09:2911
testing all this we came to the conlusion that problem is not xdm
but accessing the graphical device not serving as console anymore.
Of course if we can by no means access this device, we can not start
xdm (or getty) ... on it.

So we need to replace the grahical console with a Xterminal and redirect
console to serial port and further to PCm

Hopes this can be solved soon !!

Regina
1030.5it WORKS54831::BUGGENHOUTThu Oct 12 1995 10:1317
here i am again with good news : perhaps the initial question was
not clear (i even had difficulties with it) but i took a 2100 AXP

redirected console   >>> set console serial

connected a VT (or later a terminalserver on it for PCM)

kept my graphical ex-console and just started xdm (no special options,
this screen is seen as :0) and there it goes.

So now the developer works local on the graphical user interface while
important messages go to the console so to PCM

Hope this info can help others although it took some replies to
get this all done

Regina
1030.629067::BUTTERWORTHGun Control is a steady hand.Thu Oct 12 1995 17:3612
    >thanks for the info, so i conclude that all the workstations that need
    >to
    >keep their graphical interface for some reason cannot be managed in a
    >central
    >way via PCM, correct ?
    
    You've now answered your own question. There used to be a problem with
    this on digital Unix systems but it seems based on your experiements
    that that isno longer the case.
    
    Regs,
      Dan