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Title:POLYCENTER Console Manager
Notice:Kits, Scans, Docs on CSC32:: as PCM$KITS:,PCM$DOCS:, PCM$SCANS:
Moderator:CSC32::BUTTERWORTH
Created:Thu Aug 06 1992
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1541
Total number of notes:6564

818.0. "Polycenter Console Manager V1.6" by MAIL2::DUNAY () Thu Jun 15 1995 17:19

    Is Polycenter Console Manager V1.6 shipping?  If so, is there an SPD, 
    literature or a feature functionality sheet available?
    
    Thanks,
    
    
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818.1OPG::PHILIPAnd through the square window...Thu Jun 15 1995 17:487
  V1.6 isnt shipping yet, so the other items you need arent available.

  Were you looking for anything specific over and above what V1.5 provides?

Cheers,
Phil
818.2MAIL1::DUNAYThu Jun 15 1995 19:4023
    Phil,
    
    Thanks for your quick response.
    
    My customer, Goldman Sachs, currently has Polycenter Console Manager
    running on a DECsystem 5000 running ULTRIX.  He would like to 
    upgrade PolyCenter Console Manager to an AlphaStation 200 4/166 running
    OSF/1 and was told by support that he needs version 1.6.  My
    understanding is that he is currently at version 1.4 on his DECsystem.
    
    My questions then are:
    
    	Can he upgrade his software to run on the AlphaStation?
    
    	When he does upgrade will it be version 1.5?
    
    	Is there an SPD for Version 1.5?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Brian
    
    
818.3ZENDIA::DBIGELOWInnovate, Integrate, EvaporateThu Jun 15 1995 19:5122
    Brian,
    
>    	Can he upgrade his software to run on the AlphaStation?
    
    Yes, their license can be transfered if they are under contract.
    There is a note entered yesterday that outlines the steps involved in
    transfereing a license.
        
    
>    	When he does upgrade will it be version 1.5?
    
    Advise your customer to go to version 1.6. It's just about ready for
    release to ssb.
    
    
>    	Is there an SPD for Version 1.5?
    
    I didn't see one online. I'll see if I can get one posted for v1.6
    
    
    Dave
    
818.4PCM V1.6 SPDMUZICK::FLYNNFri Jun 16 1995 13:34715
 

 Software
 Product
 Description

 ___________________________________________________________________

 PRODUCT NAME:  POLYCENTER Console Manager, Version 1.6 SPD 42.90.04

 DESCRIPTION

 This SPD describes the following products - POLYCENTER[TM] Console Man-
 ager for OpenVMS[TM] VAX[TM] (formerly named VAXCluster[TM] Console
 System) and POLYCENTER Console Manager for OpenVMS Alpha and Digital
 UNIX[R] (formerly known as DEC[TM] OSF/1[R]).

 POLYCENTER Console Manager V1.5 for RISC ULTRIX[TM] will continue to
 be supported, but is not upgraded to V1.6. Please see the SPD for POLYCENTER
 Console Manager V1.5 (42.90.03) for the product description.

 POLYCENTER Console Manager (PCM) is a layered software product which
 enables a host system to manage, monitor and control client console
 devices. PCM can support up to 200 systems/devices of any platform type
 that sends ASCII data over RS232C direct, TELNET or LAT[TM] connec-
 tions which support XON /XOFF and I/O buffering. PCM also supports the
 use of a pseudo-terminal interface that provides a "soft" console for
 use with user-defined application programs.

 Examples of devices which can be managed are:

 o  DECsystem[TM] computers

 o  VAX systems or computers

 o  Third-party systems

 o  PrintServers

 o  LAN bridges

 o  Power distribution and air conditioning units

                               DIGITAL                     June 1995

                                                         AE-PRD4E-TE

 

 PCM provides a centralized point for system console services. PCM has
 built in security, restricting full console access to qualified users.
 The functionality includes:

 o  Shutting down or rebooting the serviced systems, as supported by
    hardware and/or operating system

 o  Running diagnostics

 o  Performing standalone backup procedures

 o  Viewing console output

 o  Reviewing historical console data

 o  Retrieving historical data for analysis

 o  Searching for console information

 o  Consolidation of data and activities between the PCM system and ser-
    viced hosts

 o  Scanning of incoming text for significant event information

 o  Event notification services

 o  Graphical iconic display of the serviced systems

 INSTALLATION

 PCM software can be installed on any Digital workstation system or server
 system as identified in this SPD. The devices serviced by PCM are con-
 nected to the PCM host platform via:

 o  Direct connection to the PCM host platform using a port of a se-
    rial line interface device (DHT)

 o  Host-initiated LAT connection to a terminal server which is acces-
    sible to the PCM host system

 o  Host-initiated TELNET connection to a terminal server which is ac-
    cessible to the PCM host system

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 o  A PCM host application program which takes its input from a pseudo-
    terminal port assigned to PCM

 SOFTWARE COMPONENTS

 PCM consists of the following components:

 o  Console Controller Processes - Manages groups of console lines. The
    processes log to disk data received on those lines, searching for
    the occurrence of user-defined text strings which form PCM events.
    Matches are dispatched to the event notification services process.
    The console controller processes also control the user connect and
    monitor functions.

 o  Central Control Coordinator (C3) Interface - An X Window System[TM]
    (X-Windows) OSF/Motif[R] interface that provides a logical view of
    the controlled systems. From this interface, system managers can
    monitor all console activities and respond to events detected on
    the console. Console events are reflected by the node icons in the
    display and direct the system manager to systems needing attention.
    Other interactive interfaces can also be activated from the cen-
    tral control coordinator Interface.

    Note: Only Color Graphic display terminals are supported.

 o  Full functionality with command line interface.

 o  Monitor Interface - Enables system managers to monitor the serviced
    systems. It monitors these systems by displaying multiple windows
    of information. System managers can connect the primary window to
    a single system or display log data in this window while monitor-
    ing other nodes. This interface is equivalent to a subset of the
    C3 interface functionality, but is provided on a character cell ter-
    minal device.

 o  Connect Interface - Enables system managers to connect to a man-
    aged system, making their terminal the dedicated console. Once con-
    nected, all keystrokes, except for the control keys defined to pro-
    vide the PCM exit, escape and break characters, are transmitted di-
    rectly to the console line of the node to which PCM is connected.

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    While connected to serviced system, the system manager sees nor-
    mal console behavior. The only exceptions to normal behavior are
    the configurable control characters reserved to enable the oper-
    ator to escape back to the PCM monitor, exit to the operating sys-
    tem shell or CLI, and send a break character to the managed sys-
    tem. This interface is equivalent to a subset of the C3 interface
    functionality, but is provided on a character cell terminal device.

    Note: More than one system manager can connect to the same serviced
    system. However, connections made after the first are placed into
    "Read-Only" mode because PCM is unable to execute commands on that
    console.

 o  Event Notification Services (ENS) - A suite of applications for in-
    terfacing with a wide range of communications media for PCM event
    notification. Event notification services provide a highly flex-
    ible mechanism for notifying system managers and other operations
    personnel of events occurring on the serviced systems. The events
    reported and the notification mechanism are highly customizable to
    fit the individual requirements of the system management domain.

 o  Callable Interface - An API which allows users to interface their
    own programs to the event notification services. Only programs writ-
    ten in C are supported.

 o  Configuration Editor - Allows operations staff to create and main-
    tain the configuration information.

 o  Configuration Database - Contains information about the users and
    hosts being serviced by PCM.

 o  Log Files - PCM maintains console, event and time stamp log files
    as the permanent historical records of console data from the ser-
    viced systems. These files may be spread over multiple disks for
    performance improvements.





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 FEATURES

 o  Supports up to 200 console connections to any systems or devices
    that transmits ASCII data over a RS232 line which supports XON/XOFF
    and I/O buffering. The maximum supported console terminal speed is
    19.2K baud.

 o  All data received by PCM from connected systems or devices is logged
    to a disk file for the respective system or device, and is time stamped
    by PCM.

 o  Operators can connect to the console port of any system serviced
    by PCM from any terminal connected to the PCM host.

 o  PCM can control remote systems or devices in a LAN via LAT host-
    initiated connections over Ethernet using LAT terminal servers.

 o  PCM can control remote systems or devices in a WAN via TELNET con-
    nections over an internet, using terminal servers which support TELNET
    connections.

 o  Security is provided to allow the PCM Administrator to restrict user
    access.

 o  PCM detects events by scanning console text messages and compar-
    ing them with predefined literal strings or expressions contained
    in the configuration database.

 o  This graphical display uses color to indicate the severity of an
    event. It also allows the user to easily access a console by click-
    ing with a mouse to activate a PCM interface.

 o  Hierarchical display of groups of systems from the C3 interface.
    Each group is represented by an expandable icon which provides mon-
    itoring and managing at a higher level. Click on group icon to get
    system level detail.

 o  C3 interface supports use of Background bitmaps.

 o  Users are alerted of critical system messages by changing icons us-
    ing six ISO colors or other user-defined actions.

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 o  Facilities to archive old sections of the PCM log files to another
    disk.

 o  Conversion utility to aid upgrade from VCS Version 1.4 to PCM Ver-
    sion 1.6.

 o  Conversion utility to aid upgrade from PCM Version 1.0 to PCM Ver-
    sion 1.6.

 o  Facilities to provide loose integration with NetView[R] (on the Dig-
    ital UNIX platform only.)

 o  PCM can be run on more than one node in a VAXcluster. However, only
    one, cluster-wide, instance of the configuration editor can mod-
    ify the configuration database, even though two different instances
    of the database are being edited.

 HARDWARE REQUIREMENTS

 VAX Processors Supported:

 VAX:      VAX 4000 Model 100,
           VAX 4000 Model 200,
           VAX 4000 Model 300,
           VAX 4000 Model 400,
           VAX 4000 Model 500,
           VAX 4000 Model 600
           VAX 4000 Model 700

           VAX 6000 Model 200 Series,
           VAX 6000 Model 300 Series,
           VAX 6000 Model 400 Series,
           VAX 6000 Model 500 Series,
           VAX 6000 Model 600 Series

           VAX 7000 Model 600 Series




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           VAX 8200[TM], VAX 8250[TM], VAX 8300[TM],
           VAX 8350[TM], VAX 850[TM]0, VAX 853[TM]0,
           VAX 8550[TM], VAX 8600[TM], VAX 8650,
           VAX 8700, VAX 8800, VAX 8810,
           VAX 8820, VAX 8830, VAX 8840

           VAX 9000[TM] Model 110,
           VAX 9000 Model 210,
           VAX 9000 Model 300 Series,
           VAX 9000 Model 400 Series

           VAX 10000 Model 600 Series

 MicroVAX[TMicroVAX 3100 Model 10/10E,
           MicroVAX 3100 Model 20/20E,
           MicroVAX 3100 Model 30,
           MicroVAX 3100 Model 40,
           MicroVAX 3100 Model 80,
           MicroVAX 3100 Model 90,
           MicroVAX 3300, MicroVAX 3400,
           MicroVAX 3500, MicroVAX 3600,
           MicroVAX 3800, MicroVAX 3900

 VAXstationVAXstation 3100 Model 30,
           VAXstation 3100 Model 38,
           VAXstation 3100 Model 40,
           VAXstation 3100 Model 48,
           VAXstation 3100 Model 76,
           VAXstation 3200, VAXstation 3500,
           VAXstation 3520, VAXstation 3540

           VAXstation 4000 Model 60,
           VAXstation 4000 Model 90

 VAXserver[VAXserver 3100, VAXserver 3300,




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           VAXserver 3400, VAXserver 3500,
           VAXserver 3600, VAXserver 3602,
           VAXserver 3800, VAXserver 3900

           VAXserver 4000 Model 200,
           VAXserver 4000 Model 300,
           VAXserver 4000 Model 500
           VAXserver 4000 Model 600
           VAXserver 4000 Model 700

           VAXserver 6000 Model 210,
           VAXserver 6000 Model 220,
           VAXserver 6000 Model 310,
           VAXserver 6000 Model 320,
           VAXserver 6000 Model 410,
           VAXserver 6000 Model 420,
           VAXserver 6000 Model 510,
           VAXserver 6000 Model 520,
           VAXserver 6000 Model 610,
           VAXserver 6000 Model 620,
           VAXserver 6000 Model 630

 Alpha Processors Supported:

 The PCM software is supported on the following Alpha host platforms,
 for both OpenVMS Alpha and Digital UNIX system. Where the platform is
 an Alpha AXP workstation, the workstation must have a color monitor
 for the graphics display to work.

             DEC 2000 Model 300 AXP Server,
             DEC 2000 Model 300 AXP Workstation,
             DEC 2000 Model 500 AXP Server,
             DEC 2000 Model 500 AXP Workstation,

             DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Workstation,
             DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Server,



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             DEC 3000 Model 300L AXP Workstation,
             DEC 3000 Model 300L AXP Server,
             DEC 3000 Model 400 AXP Workstation,
             DEC 3000 Model 400 AXP Server,
             DEC 3000 Model 500 AXP Workstation,
             DEC 3000 Model 500 AXP Server
             DEC 3000 Model 500X AXP Workstation,
             DEC 3000 Model 500X AXP Server
             DEC 3000 Model 600 AXP Workstation,
             DEC 3000 Model 600 AXP Server
             DEC 3000 Model 800 AXP Workstation,
             DEC 3000 Model 800 AXP Server

             DEC 4000 Model 610 AXP System
             DEC 4000 Model 710 AXP System

             DEC 7000 Model 610 AXP System

             DEC 10000 Model 610 AXP System

 Managed System Restrictions

 The PCM software cannot currently support a DECstation[TM] system as
 a managed system. This is due to a feature of the RISC ULTRIX X-Server
 which can not support the console device being directed to a physi-
 cal tty port on the system rather than the graphics device.

 Remote system halt requires hardware and/or operating system support
 to transmit a signal.

 Other Hardware Required

 A CD-ROM drive is required for all platforms.






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 Disk Space Requirements

 The tables below summarize the use of disk space by each subset in-
 cluded with the PCM product on each of the supported platform types.

 The sizes quoted are approximate. The actual sizes may vary depend-
 ing on the installer's system environment, configuration, and soft-
 ware options.

 For OpenVMS VAX Systems:

 OpenVMS VAX systems store all the base system files in the disk vol-
 ume pointed to by the logical name CONSOLE$ROOT. The installer is al-
 lowed to define this logical name during the product installation.

 ___________________________________________________________________
 Device_____________________Req.Space_______________________________

 SYS$SYSDEVICE              600 blocks
 CONSOLE$ROOT_______________59,000_blocks___________________________

 For OpenVMS Alpha Systems:

 OpenVMS VAX systems store all the base system files in the disk vol-
 ume pointed to by the logical name CONSOLE$ROOT. The installer is al-
 lowed to define this logical name during the product installation.

 ___________________________________________________________________
 Device_____________________Req.Space_______________________________

 SYS$SYSDEVICE              600 blocks
 CONSOLE$ROOT_______________68,000_blocks___________________________

 For Digital UNIX Systems:

 Disk space required for use (permanent):




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 ___________________________________________________________________

 All         Root           /               0    MB
 DCROSFBASE  Usr            /usr/opt        6    MB
             Var            /var/opt        0.2  MB
 DCROSFBIN   Usr            /usr/opt        6    MB
             Var            /var/opt        0.1  MB
 DCROSFENS   Usr            /usr/opt        1    MB
             Var            /var/opt        0.1  MB
 DCROSFMAN   Usr            /usr/man        0.9  MB
 DCROSFMAPS  Var            /var/opt       19    MB
 DCRREL______Usr____________/usr/opt________0.03_MB_________________

 Note: These counts refer to the disk space required for the product base
 files, it does not take account of the requirements for the log and
 archive data collected by the PCM software.

 The sizes are approximate; actual sizes may vary depending on the user's
 system environment, configuration, and software options.

 Memory Requirements

 PCM performance is highly dependent upon the amount of physical mem-
 ory present. A minimum of 32 MB memory is required. This requirement
 will increase with the number of serviced systems and the number of
 concurrent X-Windows run from the PCM software.

 Terminal Server Requirements

 The following terminal servers are supported for providing LAT and TELNET
 PCM connections:

 ___________________________________________________________________
 Terminal_Server__LAT________TELNET_________________________________

 DECserver 200    X
 DECserver 300    X          X


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 ___________________________________________________________________

 DECserver 90L    X
 DECserver 90L+   X
 DECserver 90TL   X          X
 DECserver 90M    X          X
 DECserver 500    X
 DECserver 550    X
 DECserver 700    X          X
 DECserver 900TM  X          X
 LATprint_________X_________________________________________________

 Note: TELNET Break functionality is only supported on the DECserver[TM]
 90TL, DECserver 90M, DECserver 900 and the DECserver 700 with the Net-
 work Access Software. If using TELNET the terminal server must sup-
 port the Internet Working Group RFC 859 STATUS option in order to sup-
 port Line Lost Notification.

 SOFTWARE REQUIREMENTS

 For OpenVMS VAX Systems:

 o  OpenVMS V6.1

 o  OpenVMS V6.2

 o  DEC TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS V3.2 (Optional)

 o  OSF/Motif V1.2

 For OpenVMS Alpha Systems:

 o  OpenVMS V6.1

 o  OpenVMS V6.2

 o  DEC TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS V3.2 (Optional)

 o  TGV Multinet V3.3 Rev A (Optional)

 o  OSF/Motif V1.2

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 For Digital UNIX Systems:

 o  Digital UNIX V3.0

 o  Digital UNIX V3.2

 o  OSF/Motif V1.2

 o  C++ shareable libraries (no additional PAK required)

 Note: The optional products DEC TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS or TGV Multi-
 net are required on OpenVMS platforms in order to make use of the TELNET
 connection mechanism. Only one of the options is required to provide
 the TELNET support.

 GROWTH CONSIDERATIONS

 The minimum hardware/software requirements for any future version of
 this product may be different from the requirements for the current
 version.

 DISTRIBUTION MEDIA

 TK50 and/or CD-ROM, depending on the platform.

 This product is also available as part of the Consolidated Software
 Distribution on CD-ROM.

 The software documentation for this product is also available as part
 of the Online Documentation Library on CD-ROM.

 ORDERING INFORMATION

 POLYCENTER Console Manager OpenVMS VAX:
 Software Capacity Li-      QL-V01A9-AA
 cense:
 Software Concurrent Use    QL-V01AA-3B
 License:


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 Media:                     QA-V01AA-H*
 Hardcopy Documentation:    QA-MU1AA-GZ
 Software Product Ser-      QT-V01A*-**
 vices:

 POLYCENTER Console Manager OpenVMS Alpha:
 Software Capacity Li-      QL-2PCA9-AA
 cense:
 Software Concurrent Use    QL-V01AA-3B
 License:
 Media:                     Consolidated Distribution
 Hardcopy Documentation:    QA-MU1AA-GZ
 Software Product Ser-      QT-2PCA*-**
 vices:

 POLYCENTER Console Manager Digital UNIX:
 Software Capacity Li-      QL-2PDA9-AA
 cense:
 Software Concurrent Use    QL-2PDAM-3B
 License:
 Media:                     Consolidated Distribution
 Hardcopy Documentation:    QA-MU1AA-GZ
 Software Product Ser-      QT-2PDA*-**
 vices:

 Note: The concurrent license part number (QL-V01AA-3B) is shared by POLYCENTER
 Console Manager on OpenVMS VAX and OpenVMS Alpha platforms.

 *  Denotes variant fields. For additional information on available li-
    censes, services, and media, refer to the appropriate price book.









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 SOFTWARE LICENSING

 This software is furnished only under a license. For more information
 about Digital's licensing terms and policies, contact your local Dig-
 ital office.

 License Management Facility Support

 This layered product supports the OpenVMS and Digital UNIX License Man-
 agement Facility.

 License units for this product are allocated on a Capacity and a Con-
 current Use basis.

 Each Concurrent Use license allows an identified system/device to be
 monitored/managed by this layered product. The Capacity license sup-
 ports the monitoring/management of up to 200 devices as supported by
 the software.

 For more information on the License Management Facility, refer to the
 relevant Operating System Software Product Description or the Guide
 to Software Licensing in the Operating System documentation set.

 SOFTWARE PRODUCT SERVICES

 A variety of service options are available from Digital. For more in-
 formation, contact your local Digital office.

 SOFTWARE WARRANTY

 Warranty for this software product is provided by Digital with the pur-
 chase of a license for the product as defined in the Software Warranty
 Addendum of this SPD.

 The above information is valid at time of release. Please contact your
 local Digital office for the most up-to-date information.




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    ware Foundation, Inc.

 [R] MultiNet is a registered trademark of TGV, Inc.

 [R] NetView is a registered trademark of International Business
    Machines Corporation.

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 [TM]UNIX is a registered trademark in the United States and other
    countries, licensed exclusively through X/Open Company Ltd.

 [TM]X Window System is a trademark of Massachusetts Institute of
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    VAX 8530, VAX 8550, VAX 8600, VAX 9000, VAXcluster, VAXserver,
    and VAXstation, and the DIGITAL Logo are trademarks of Digital
    Equipment Corporation.

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818.5PCM Support for New PCI SystemsWMGEN2::hornet.det.dec.com::comfortThu Jul 20 1995 21:0612
My customer wants to upgrade from VCS on a 3100/30 to PCM on a 
200 4/166, but the new PCI boxes don't seem to be supported, 
according to the SPD (42.90.04 - June, 1995).  Is this a mistake
or did we just release a new version of PCM without supporting
our current hardware line?

Also, he would like to configure a dual-screened system, with
each screen running its own copy of PCM.  All connections are
LAT-based.  Are there any known problems with this approach?

Thanks in advance,
BC
818.6CSC32::BUTTERWORTHGun Control is a steady hand.Thu Jul 20 1995 23:0925
>My customer wants to upgrade from VCS on a 3100/30 to PCM on a 
>200 4/166, but the new PCI boxes don't seem to be supported, 
>according to the SPD (42.90.04 - June, 1995).  Is this a mistake
>or did we just release a new version of PCM without supporting
>our current hardware line?
    
    I would think that it's more of an oversight. There is not reason why
    PCM would not run on any of those machines. An SSA can be put out to
    correct this. Please send mail to the Product Manager Rae Kung at
    MUZICK::KUNG.

>Also, he would like to configure a dual-screened system, with
>each screen running its own copy of PCM.  All connections are
>LAT-based.  Are there any known problems with this approach?
    
    When you say " each screen running it's own copy of PCM". Do you mean
    that each screen would display a C3 with different nodes in each or
    what? PCM can only be "run once" on any engine. By that I mean that
    you can't start PCM twice on the same engine with different config
    files. You can send multiple C3's with different customizations and
    subsets of the nodes in the total config. This will take a little extra
    setup time and some DCL but it's no big deal. 

    Regs,
      Dan
818.7PCI Platforms Haven't Been TestedWMGEN2::hornet.det.dec.com::comfortMon Jul 24 1995 21:368
Here is some follow up info:

I understand that the new platforms are not in the SSD 
because they are not available to engineering for testing.
Although there might be good reason to believe that all
is well, until someone who has access to the
new equipment is able to test PCM on it, it is
not possible to be 100% sure.
818.8PCM 1.6 and Alpha 200 systemsCSC32::TANTSMon Oct 02 1995 09:4514
    I spoke to Rae Collier in regards to the ALPHA 200 question, and was
    told that this hardware is supported as long as the OS is correct per
    the SPD.  Please report any problems via that regular IPMT channels.
    
    (This was in regards to a customer question.  Rae is the product
    manager and was nice enough to get back to me with the answer.  I
    promised in exchange to add it to this forum.  As stated previously, it
    was not in the SPD because engineering didn't have the hardware to test
    it on.  They have, however, chosen to certify it in this manner
    anyway.)
    
    Becki Tants
    CSC - SYSMGT-C