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Conference csc32::consolemanager

Title:POLYCENTER Console Manager
Notice:Kits, Scans, Docs on CSC32:: as PCM$KITS:,PCM$DOCS:, PCM$SCANS:
Moderator:CSC32::BUTTERWORTH
Created:Thu Aug 06 1992
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1541
Total number of notes:6564

656.0. "TWO Console Managers ?" by ALFETA::MAURICIO (Fertile Pectus) Tue Mar 21 1995 20:18

    
    We're participating on a BID where the prospect is asking for both a
    local console AND a remote console capability. Our configuration is a
    dual AlphaServer 2100 4/200 with DECsafe Available Server. My question:
    is it possible to implement such a "beast" with Polycenter Console
    Manager? In other words, can we have TWO stations running Polycenter
    Console Manager (one local, one remote, both via "reverse LAT/TELNET")
    and being the console for the SAME pair of DECsafe systems?
    
    	Any hint will be most welcomed!
    
    Regards
    
    Maur�cio Henriques
    Digital Brazil
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656.156649::DBIGELOWInnovate, Integrate, EvaporateTue Mar 21 1995 20:5912
    Mauricio,
    
        Not really, at least not both active at the same time. I presume
    that you want some type of fail-over capability? If so, then the
    best bet is to use the same approach; that is, use DECsafe, with PCM
    running on both. If it's not for failover, then you should be able to 
    get by with one, providing that your network is fast enough.
    
        If you do decide to go with 2, then you will have to shutdown PCM
    on one system and manually start up the other system.
    
    Dave  
656.2CSC32::BUTTERWORTHGun Control is a steady hand.Tue Mar 21 1995 21:0161
    >We're participating on a BID where the prospect is asking for both
    >a local console AND a remote console capability. Our configuration is
    >a dual AlphaServer 2100 4/200 with DECsafe Available Server. My
    >question: is it possible to implement such a "beast" with Polycenter 
    >Console Manager? In other words, can we have TWO stations running
    >Polycenter Console Manager (one local, one remote, both via "reverse
    >LAT/TELNET") and being the console for the SAME pair of DECsafe systems?
    
    >Any hint will be most welcomed!
    
    The answer to your question is both yes and no. The "no" part is due to
    the fact that a decserver port cannot have more than one active 
    host-initated LAT connection or more than one telnet connection at the
    same time. To clarify we'll use an example:
    
    We have two PCM engines called PCM1 and PCM2. We have a datacenter
    with several systems that we want to manage. All the systems in the
    datacenter are hooked to a decserver called PCMDS1. The configuration
    database on both PCM1 and PCM2 is identical. We start Console Manager
    on PCM1 and it establishes communciations with the decserver ports and
    thus assumes control of the consoles of the datacenter systems that
    are attached to it. We now start console manager on PCM2 but it cannot 
    connect to the decserver ports because PCM1 already has done so. This
    same scenario existed in VCS by the way. Note also it will make no
    difference as to what protocol we use - LAT or TELNET - the results
    will be the same.
    
    The "yes" answer to your question comes about because of the
    transportable nature of the X-windowing system. Let's assume that 
    our example scenario has changed such that PCM2 is several miles away
    in another city. The operators that have access to PCM2 would be able
    to connect to PCM1 and SET DISPLAY back to PCM2. This would allow them
    to send the C3 back to PCM2 and provide the most convenient way to
    manage all the systems in the configuration. Note that everything is
    still going through PCM1 though. You can also send all the X-windows
    based action routines to either PCM1 or PCM2 as well. Note also that
    when you are set host into the active PCM engine that you could also
    run and of the character-celL interfaces such as MONITOR and CONNECT.
    
    One of the up and coming features within PCM will be active failover.
    Using our scenario above with PCM1 and PCM2 with active failover, if PCM1 
    was in control and failed due to a system crash, PCM2 would immediately 
    assume control of the systems in the datacenter.
    
    Finally, some sites have attempted to create a totally duplicate
    config right down to the decservers. They then install a Y cable
    between the servers such that there are two physical paths to the same
    console. I personally do not recommend this as there are electrical
    problems as well usage problems, i.e., what happens when two operators
    are connected to the same node at the same time and start typing
    commands at the same time. You wind up with unintelligible garabage
    on the console! The electrical problems are enough or a reason not to
    do it. I have found that we can receive characters easialy enough but
    when something is sent to the console it doesn't make it. I've seen
    everything from corrupt characters to nothing happening at all! Someone
    may have designed an "intelligent" cable that overcomes these problems
    but I still don't recommend it.
    
    Good luck!
    
    Dan