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Conference csc32::consolemanager

Title:POLYCENTER Console Manager
Notice:Kits, Scans, Docs on CSC32:: as PCM$KITS:,PCM$DOCS:, PCM$SCANS:
Moderator:CSC32::BUTTERWORTH
Created:Thu Aug 06 1992
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1541
Total number of notes:6564

299.0. "General questions." by BRUMMY::COPE () Mon Jul 11 1994 12:50

Hi,
	I have just installed console manager on a VAX running VMS V6.1 and OSI 
version 5.7, the VAX is a VAXStation 4000 Model 60 with 40 Meagbytes of memory.

I have some general questions.

1.	When you start CONSOLE the following images run

		Console Notify  
		Console Daemon  
		Console Ctrl 01
		Console Ctrl 02 
		Console Ctrl 03 

	What is each process responsible for and why is there three Console Ctrl
processes.

2.	I need  ENS to be displayed on two systems, and a subset of the main 
display on each system managers system, for the ENS I use the filter and for 
each system manager a piece of DCL running on the console system setting display
to the relevant machines. The problem is as follows:

	Console only running with the ENS displays, all O.K.
	1 C3 display, O.K.
	2 C3 displays, O.K.
	3 C3 displays, console begins to become unreliable with ENS becoming 
	  detached.
	4 C3 displays, problems occur imediatly, ENS becomes detached and one 
	  or more of the Console Ctrl processes start to consume vast ammounts of 
	  CPU.

	  When you attempt to connect to a console either via C3 or CON CONN xxx
	  the above can also be induced. It would appear to be a resource problem
	  but what.
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299.1OPG::PHILIPAnd through the square window...Mon Jul 11 1994 16:4127
  If you take a look at the User Guide, it should explain what
  the different components of the software are and hence what
  those processes do. In brief tho, they do the following:


	Console Notify  - ENS, starts action etc
	Console Daemon  - Parent console controller,
			  starts the children and monitors
			   disk space etc.
	Console Ctrl 01 +
	Console Ctrl 02 +- The console controllers children, these
	Console Ctrl 03 +  are what actually manage the consoles,
			   you will get a new process for each 16
			   manageable systems in your database. So,
			   three would mean that you are controlling
			   between 33 and 48 systems

  Now, as for the problem with C3 displays, I havnt seen this before
  but we will investigate when we have the time. If this is really
  important for you to have fixed, then I suggest that you SPR or
  CLD it.

Cheers,
Phil

  
299.2ThanksBRUMMY::COPEMon Jul 11 1994 17:3615
Hi Phil,
	I have read the user guide and was after a little more detail, as I am a 
new user of PCM I thought I might have missed something simple when installing. 
However, I can't find any referenc to process quotas and was therefore looking 
for some guidence before submitting an SPR.

As to the importance of this problem to me, I am attempting to use PCM to divide 
the monitoring and control of a large number of VAXs Ultrix nodes and printers
between the assigned system manager, whilst displaying the entire configuration on 
two workstation screeen for general viewing. I stoped the development on VCS to 
change over to PCM, as it would be the replacement. I hope this helps explain the 
importance to our data centre.

Thanks again for your time.
Alan
299.3CSC32::BUTTERWORTHGun Control is a steady hand.Wed Jul 13 1994 19:516
    Alan,
       Did you install the V1.5 kit or do you have 1.1? If you have 1.1
    you definitely want to install the 1.5 kit. Thanks to the engr. groups
    effort, many bugs were fixed in a very short time in the 1.5 kit.
    
    Dan
299.4Nice try but...BRUMMY::COPEThu Jul 14 1994 11:400
299.5Try AgainBRUMMY::COPEThu Jul 14 1994 12:1811
Hi Dan,
	I dont know what happened to my reply, it seems to have frozen, anyway I have 
1.5 installed. The problem appears to be a resource, the more PCM windows the less
I can do, if I connect to a console, on CTRL E disconnect ENS detaches and one of
the CTRL process starts to consume 98% CPU, DCM reports that the process is looping.

If I start more CM windows the result is the same. The main problem is that having
installed OSI I now have to contend with two unfamiliar products.

Regards
Alan
299.6CSC32::BUTTERWORTHGun Control is a steady hand.Thu Jul 14 1994 17:054
    Okay. We've had a couple other reports of this too. I haven't been able
    to reproduce it yet though.
    
    Dan
299.7Getting CloserBRUMMY::COPEFri Jul 15 1994 10:097
Hi Dan,
	I was using SHOW PROC/CONT on the Notify process, as you start the forth
C3 the Notify process wakes up, does a little and then goes into an MWAIT and 
disapears, I will try to find out which MUTEX it is and let you know.

Regards
Alan
299.8Fixed itBRUMMY::COPEFri Jul 15 1994 15:0923
Hi Dan, Phil,
	It was a quota, I used CONSOLE$DEBUG set to ENS and in the log file I had
the message failed to create socket and that the BYTLM quota was exceeded. I have 
changed the parameter in the CONSOLE$STARTUP for the ENS DAEMON to (p6) to 280000.

This now allows me to have the following:

	One full C3 window in the computer room
	One full C3 window on the external diplays
	five C3 windows (one for each system manager)
	
	
The two full windows have no ENS display, two additional ENS displays are provided
using the filter.

The configuration may be important so here it is:

	We have 26 Nodes connected via LAT, and 9 LPS printers using Pseudo conn.

I hope this helps.

Regards 
Alan
299.9ZENDIA::DBIGELOWInnovate, Integrate, EvaporateFri Jul 15 1994 15:4612
    Alan,
    
       If you are using LPS$console in the pseudo terminal, be advised that
    the LPS software updates/refreshes the screen every 10 seconds or so. 
    What this means is that the screen is being redrawn and the entire
    screen will be logged to disk. So, effectively you are logging a screen
    dump every 10 seconds or so. Make sure to watch your logfile size
    growth for these systems.
    
    Cheers,
    
      Dave
299.10BRUMMY::COPEFri Jul 15 1994 17:215
Thanks for that Dave, I shutdown PCM and cleanup each night after the backup, so
should be O.K.

Regards
Alan
299.11OPG::PHILIPAnd through the square window...Fri Jul 15 1994 17:497
Alan,

  Thanks for taking the time to investigate this, I will
  make the change to the startup for the next release.

Cheers,
Phil
299.12How About LogicalsBRUMMY::COPEMon Jul 18 1994 09:497
Phil,
	Will this problem occur again if say I want to add four more C3 windows,
Wouldnt it be possible to allow the definition of a logical i.e. 
CONSOLE$ENS_BYTLM etc so users could increase this at will.

Regards
Alan
299.13OPG::PHILIPAnd through the square window...Mon Jul 18 1994 10:277
Alan,

  OK, thats simple enough, I'll set it up so that
  you can define it in the private_setup file.

Cheers,
Phil