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Conference csc32::consolemanager

Title:	POLYCENTER Console Manager
Notice:	Kits, Scans, Docs on CSC32:: as PCM$KITS:,PCM$DOCS:, PCM$SCANS:
Moderator:	CSC32::BUTTERWORTH

Created:	Thu Aug 06 1992
Last Modified:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	1541
Total number of notes:	6564

291.0. "Upgrading from VAX/VCS to OSF/PCM licences" by BAHTAT::SCATTERGOOD (Graham Scattergood) Thu Jun 30 1994 00:40

My customer has a VAX with 20 concurrent licences for VCS.

He is upgrading to Alpha OSF/1 and PCM.

Can the VCS licences be used on OSF/1?

If not, is there a special programme to get the new licences as a trade-up?

Would this be any different if he moved to Alpha with VMS? 

Thanks.

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
291.1		WOTVAX::ELLISM	Are you all sitting too comfybold square on your botty? - Then we'll begin	`Fri Jul 01 1994 12:40`	8
	I believe the status is :- VCS to PCM on VAX, no problem VCS to PCM on AXP, there is a trade-in program for VAX license to AXP licenses at no cost There are no trade-in programs for VMS to OSF/1 Martin
291.2	We should allow OSF/1 Alpha on same basis as VMS	BAHTAT::SCATTERGOOD	Graham Scattergood	`Fri Jul 01 1994 14:52`	5
	It would seem that we should encourage our customers to use Alpha AXP and really let them choose the operating system. My vote would be to allow an operating system move to OSF/1, if the customer has a UNIX strategy. By making them pay again or forcing them towards staying with VMS is contrary to our company strategy and industry trends.
291.3	Check with product mgt.	OPG::SIMON		`Fri Jul 01 1994 15:37`	21
	Hi, when we engineered this version we were told to accept VCS licenses on the OpenVMS platforms. So if you are on OpenVMS regardless of platform the licenses from VCS system(s) installed on the PCm platform will work as our LMF calls will recognise them. We were told expressly NOT to do the same for ULTRIX and OSF/1. There have been several incewntive programs for getting customers to move from VAX to AXP where if the customer buys the hardware the software is thrown in. This was not a PCM specific deal. In this case the customer should be able to trade VCS licenses for the equivilent number of PCM connections. This is done by taking back the VCS licenses and issuing a PCM license with 0 cost. I do not know whether this deal is still on or how you go about doing it). If you have any further questions/comments about the costing please address them to Rae Kung ( MUZICK::KUNG). Cheers Simon....
291.4	VCS -> PCM migration - licensing info	ICEKRM::KUNG		`Fri Dec 02 1994 21:37`	47
	Product Migration Information Sheet 01-DEC-94 VAXcluster Console System V1.4 to POLYCENTER Console Manager V1.5 * Migrating from VCS on VMS/VAX to PCM on VMS/VAX or VMS/AXP: concurrent use license: service - automatically receive PCM update kit at no charge - VCS PAK will work with PCM non-service - purchase PCM upgrade license and h-kit unlimited license: service - receive PCM 32-concurrent licenses - automatically receive PCM update kit at no charge non-service - purchase the equivalent of 32 PCM upgrades for the concurrent license type and h-kit concurrent license -> unlimited license: service - use 107 concurrent licenses to trade up to 1 unlimited license at no charge non-service - use 107 concurrent licenses to trade up to 1 unlimited license and also purchase PCM upgrade license and h-kit * Migrating from VCS on VMS/VAX to PCM on OSF/AXP: concurrent use license: service - adhering to current business practices around trade-ins: trade VCS licenses in for PCM licenses and pay 25% of the cost of the OSF/AXP licenses, receive new PAKs for OSF/AXP. * Migrating from PCM on ULTRIX to PCM on OSF/AXP: concurrent use license: service - adhering to current business practices around trade-ins: trade PCM ULTRIX licenses for PCM OSF/AXP licenses and pay 25% of the cost of the OSF/AXP licenses, receive new PAKs for OSF/AXP.
291.5		CSC32::BUTTERWORTH	Gun Control is a steady hand.	`Tue Dec 06 1994 18:50`	7
	Rae, THANK YOU for posting that! Regs, Dan
291.6	VCS unlimited user PAK works for PCM why ?	SEDOAS::CLIFFE_S		`Tue Jan 03 1995 17:04`	12
	re -2 My customer has migrated from VCS VAX to PCM VAX, and has an VCS unlimited licence, which now appears to give him unlimited connects on PCM, although looking at the migration plan, the unlimited VCS licence should not work. Will future versions of PCM prevent this PAK from working, as the fact that it works means you effectively get 168 connects free. Steve
291.7		OPG::PHILIP	And through the square window...	`Tue Jan 03 1995 17:36`	10
	Steve, Your customer should in fact only get 32 connects, this is a bug in the way our LMF checking works, it will get fixed in a future release, so your customer shouldnt be surprised if when they upgrade to a release where this is fixed they will only be able to connect 32 systems. Cheers, Phil
291.8	How do I go about swapping the PAK's ?	SEDOAS::CLIFFE_S		`Wed Jan 04 1995 14:17`	12
	Phil If the previous comment is true WHY in the upgrade plan in -2 do yo have to trade your unlimited licence in and recieve 32 individual licences. I have been trying to delve within DEC as to how this plan can be put into practice, as the contract administrator for the account does not know how this pak is supposed to be transferrred into 32 individual licenses. Yours hopefully Steve C
291.9		OPG::PHILIP	And through the square window...	`Wed Jan 04 1995 15:51`	13
	Steve, I suggest you contact Rae the product manager for clarification about what she wrote in -3. All I know is that it was never intended for an unlimited VCS customer to get unlimited PCM usage. As for transferring the PAK, can't the product administrator just issue 32 single use PCM licences in exchange for the VCS licence? Or maybe if they have access to PAKGEN, then a single licence with 3200 units would suffice. Cheers, Phil
291.10	updated VCS->PCM migration details	MUZICK::KUNG		`Fri Feb 10 1995 21:15`	51
	Please disregard reply -.4, this is an updated document describing the VCS to PCM license migration plan as they stand, with recent changes dictated by the Digital SBP (Swe Bus Prac) team. Key difference is that VCS customers who purchased the hardware package which included a VCS unlimited license, with service warranty, can use PCM in the capacity/unlimited fashion at no additional cost. Product Migration Information Sheet 10-FEB-95 VAXcluster Console System V1.4 to POLYCENTER Console Manager V1.5 * Migrating from VCS on VMS/VAX to PCM on VMS/VAX or VMS/AXP: concurrent use license: service - automatically receive PCM update kit at no charge - VCS PAK will work with PCM non-service - purchase PCM upgrade license and h-kit unlimited license (previously sold packaged with hardware): service - automatically receive PCM update kit at no charge - VCS PAK will work with PCM non-service - purchase PCM upgrade license and h-kit concurrent license -> unlimited license: service - use 107 concurrent licenses to trade up to 1 unlimited license at no charge non-service - use 107 concurrent licenses to trade up to 1 unlimited license and also purchase PCM upgrade license and h-kit * Migrating from VCS on VMS/VAX to PCM on OSF/AXP: - adhering to current business practices around trade-ins: trade VCS licenses in for PCM licenses and pay 25% of the cost of the OSF/AXP licenses, receive new PAKs for OSF/AXP. * Migrating from PCM on ULTRIX to PCM on OSF/AXP: - adhering to current business practices around trade-ins: trade PCM ULTRIX licenses for PCM OSF/AXP licenses and pay 25% of the cost of the OSF/AXP licenses, receive new PAKs for OSF/AXP.