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Conference csc32::consolemanager

Title:POLYCENTER Console Manager
Notice:Kits, Scans, Docs on CSC32:: as PCM$KITS:,PCM$DOCS:, PCM$SCANS:
Moderator:CSC32::BUTTERWORTH
Created:Thu Aug 06 1992
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1541
Total number of notes:6564

185.0. "VCS Conversion problems" by BBPPDR::ROWELL (Paul Rowell @BBP - OCSDC UK) Mon Feb 14 1994 15:47

Hi,

Thought you might be interested in some feedback on how upgrading our VCS system
to CM went:

The installation was trouble free and first impressions of this version are good.

The execution of the VCS convertion gave the following problems:

1) Doesn't pick up the LAT definitions - this could be because VCS (on another
machine) was hogging the ports.

2) You need to leave a space between @ and the filename - this is strange to VMS
users!

3) The cluster definitions are not converted to groups

4) Some of the events in VCS don't need converting eg LINERR etc.

5) All the systems are given generic icons

When editing the C3 picture can the labels be moved independently of the icon?

The icon for the DECsystem5100 is much larger than all the others.


Thats all for now!

-Paul
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185.1CSC32::BUTTERWORTHMon Feb 14 1994 19:0813
    >1) Doesn't pick up the LAT definitions - this could be because VCS (on
    >another machine) was hogging the ports.
    
    PCM creates it's LAT ports dynamically when it's started and stores the
    target port name and target server name in it's database. VCS however,
    stores only the name of the local port i.e., LTAxxxx in it's database.
    Coding the conversion program to pull the local port names out and 
    interrogate them to see where they pointed was probably more trouble
    than it was worth.
    
    Regs,
      Dan
    
185.2More answers.OPG::SIMONTue Feb 15 1994 08:1012
    Re .0
    
    Can the labels be moved independantly of the icons.
    
    No. You may position them top or bottom. You may also turn them off and
    create a seperate text label if you wish, however this will not move
    with the icon.
    
    The large icon. I thought I had got rid of that one. Sorry I shall go
    back and do something about it.
    
    Cheers Simon....
185.3Conversion of Users with privilegesBBPPDR::ROWELLPaul Rowell @BBP - OCSDC UKTue Feb 15 1994 09:484
Another bug that I found in the conversion of VCS database was that users with
all privileges did not have and END: and blank line at the end of the section.

-Paul
185.4OPG::PHILIPAnd through the square window...Tue Feb 15 1994 10:457
Paul,

  Thanks, this is fixed for the next release.

Cheers,
Phil

185.5OPG::PHILIPAnd through the square window...Tue Feb 15 1994 13:0334
Paul,

Thank for the feedback, Dave has answered your 1st point and Simon about the 
labels and large icon. Let me try and address the other points.

>>2) You need to leave a space between @ and the filename - this is strange to VMS
>>users!

  I dont understand what you are getting at, where are you seeing
  this problem?

>>3) The cluster definitions are not converted to groups

  This will be in the next kit

>>4) Some of the events in VCS don't need converting eg LINERR etc.

  We convert everything, we have no way of knowing if the user has done 
  something dumb and replaced the VCS event with one of their own, so we have 
  left all the event and scan definitions alone.

>>5) All the systems are given generic icons

  This is done because we dont really know if we have a match between the 
  users icon in the VCS database and our own, especially if the user had 
  created their own VCS icons. The easiest thing to do is set them to the 
  default. You can easily change them afterwards, either in the Console Manager 
  editor, or the C3.

Again, thanks for the feedback, keep it coming...

Cheers,
Phil

185.6ClarificationBBPPDR::ROWELLPaul Rowell @BBP - OCSDC UKTue Feb 15 1994 13:5623
re .0 & .5 ref 2)

I wasn't very clear was I!!!

In the CONSOLE EDIT/INTER=CHAR if you type the following:-

CM EDIT> @myfile.port

It says:-

@TEST: Command not found
Usage: add delete export exit help import @ modify quit save set show use verify
 ?

But if you type:-

CM EDIT> @ myfile.port

It works.

VMS users are used to @commandfile.com sort of mentality.

-Paul
185.7OPG::PHILIPAnd through the square window...Tue Feb 15 1994 14:276
Paul,

  Thanks for the clarification, I'll get this changed for the next release.

Cheers,
Phil
185.8No longer validZENDIA::DBIGELOWInnovate, Integrate, EvaporateTue Feb 15 1994 14:439
    On VMS, teh indirect command file support was given up in favor of an
    'import' and 'export' utility. In doing so, it enabled us to maintain
    a consistent user interface across different platforms. 
    
    The '@ filename' should have barked and given you an error message.
    
    Cheers,
    
       Dave
185.9OPG::PHILIPAnd through the square window...Tue Feb 15 1994 15:2610
Dave,

  I actually decided to add this specifically for OpenVMS users (and me, I
  hate typing more than I have to!) and as a side effect, Unix users get it
  too (that the beuty of a common code base). anyway the fix for "@name" and 
  "@ name" is in, you can now type either.

Cheers,
Phil