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Conference vaxuum::document_ft

Title:DOCUMENT T1.0
Notice:**New notesfile (DOCUMENT.NOTE) now available (see note 897)**
Moderator:CLOSET::ADLER
Created:Mon Feb 09 1987
Last Modified:Thu Oct 31 1991
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:897
Total number of notes:4397

840.0. "Accent grave printed incorrectly" by AUTHOR::WELLCOME (Steve) Fri Aug 21 1987 16:42

    This must have been reported before, here it is anyway:
    
    Accent grave ` prints as accent acute ' with LN03 output.
    
    It prints as an opening quotation mark with postscript output,
    which is not really correct either.
    
    What is "the word" on this?
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840.1use <accent> tagCLOSET::ANKLAMMon Aug 24 1987 14:525
    
    Free-standing accent marks have to be printed via the <ACCENT>
    tag, in this case <accent>(GRAVE). 
    
    patti
840.2Isn't that a bit much?IJSAPL::KLERKTheo de KlerkWed Aug 26 1987 12:385
 Is there any particular reason to have ' to be printed through
 <accent>(acute) ? Sounds a bit overdone to me... After all, it's just
 a character as any other.

Theo
840.3Do you type l for 1?VAXUUM::SEGALWed Aug 26 1987 14:417
    That is the exact reason. It is a character, not the same character
    as ' (apostrophe/single close quote). If you have access to both
    LN03 and PostScript, you can should be able to see the stylistic
    differences between Palacio (LN03 default serif text face) and
    Times Roman (POST default serif text face). 
    
    Lee
840.4It's too complicated for me...DICKNS::WELLCOMESteveWed Aug 26 1987 19:349
    It is still not clear to me why the character code defined as accent 
    grave (140 octal) in the DEC multinational character set comes out 
    looking like something else; like an accent acute, in fact.  Printing 
    something that looks like an accent acute for the accent grave
    character code is highly misleading.  One might as well print 
    something that looks like a period when one sees the character code 
    for a comma.
    However, now that I know how to get DOCUMENT to print what I want 
    I won't worry about it.  
840.5a guessVIDEO::LASKOi19n = 12 NRCs + 15 LKs + 16 KDsFri Aug 28 1987 00:225
    I can guess why: It's actually trying to print an opening quote,
    but there isn't one available in the LN03 fonts...
    
    [yeah, that sounds cryptic, but I'm looking for a confirmation before
    I go into boring details.]
840.6Gimme a stylusCLOSET::SEGALFri Aug 28 1987 11:3215
    The character is available, and is the single open quote.
    The misconception is that it is the apostrophe, which is
    easy to understand if you are familiar with typography.
    The text quote and apostrophes in Palacio have a `chiseled'
    appearance, and so both open and close varieties look
    very much alike. They `tilt' in the same direction, but
    the thickness of the character varies slightly. The left/open
    characters are minutely thicker at the base and have a
    tiny swash serif pointing TOWARD the text. The right/close
    characters are thicker at the top, the and serif points
    left off that thick part TOWARD the text they're quoting.
    
    Lee