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Conference vaxuum::document_ft

Title:DOCUMENT T1.0
Notice:**New notesfile (DOCUMENT.NOTE) now available (see note 897)**
Moderator:CLOSET::ADLER
Created:Mon Feb 09 1987
Last Modified:Thu Oct 31 1991
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:897
Total number of notes:4397

837.0. "Opening quotation marks" by WKRP::COGHILL (Steve Coghill, Luke 14:28) Fri Aug 21 1987 12:59

    I have just finished participating in a proposal effort and ran
    into this situation.  I was not able to find a way to do this.
    
    We inserted quoatations from Ken Olsen in the proposal.  These quotes
    consisted of multiple paragraphs.  I could not find a way to insert
    a typesetter's opening double quotation mark.  The double quote
    key (") provides a closing double quote.
    
    It is my understanding the format of these quotations is:
    
    "And," he said, "Blah.....
    Blah, blah.
    
    "Second paragraph blah..."
    
    The first blah in the first paragraph is preceded by an opening
    quote, but there is no closing quote.  <QUOTE> gives me paired
    quotation marks, the quote key a closing quote. 
    
    How does one put in just an opening quote?  If feel that, ideally,
    VAXdocument should be able to tell that it is in quote mode and
    when a <p> is encountered it knows to first insert an opening quote.
    For now, I will settle for some tag that allows me to insert it.
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837.1This is one for the 'oversight' listCLOSET::ANKLAMFri Aug 21 1987 13:2310
    
    This is a real oversight in DOCUMENT (remember our origins are in
    software documentation, where such extended quotations never occur).
    
    This will have to go on the 'bug' list. You are right that the
    proper behavior would be for DOCUMENT to be smart about the context,
    so that paragraphs encountered inside quotations would automatically
    be preceded with the continuation opening quotation mark.
    
    -pa
837.2Use displayed quotationsTOKLAS::FELDMANPDS, our next successFri Aug 21 1987 20:4822
    The type of quotation described in .0 seems appropriate for fiction,
    newspaper reporting, and probably some other contexts.  Not having
    the complete text, I can't tell whether it's appropriate for this
    particular case.
    
    But for academic writing, and I imagine formal business writing such as
    this, a better alternative (according to my favorite reference) to do a
    multi-paragraph quote is with a displayed quotation.  That is,
    
    	You set larger margins at both sides of the quotation.
    
    	And write the quotation this way, with no quotation marks.
    
    (My favorite reference book on writing happens to be A Handbook for
    Scholars, by Mary-Claire van Leunen.  Of course, there are many other
    references on writing.) 
    
    Of course, Document still needs to solve the problem of unmatched open
    quotes.  You never can tell when someone might want to use Document
    to write a novel.
    
       Gary
837.3``Quote meCLOSET::SEGALTue Aug 25 1987 18:0415
    You CAN enter opening quotation marks by typing 2 consecutive
    single left quote (or keyboard accent grave) characters: 
    
    ``Isolated open quote marks
    
    You can also enter two consecutive apostrophes to obtain
    the double quotation marks:
    
    Isolated close quote marks''
    
    Single quotes will also work as in `real thing'.
    As Patti noted, free-standing accents are only available
    with the <ACCENT> tag.
    
    Lee
837.4see also 840CLOSET::SEGALTue Aug 25 1987 18:154
    Related problem, wrong note. 
    My reference to Patti's explanation of ACCENT in the preceding reply 
    concerns note 840 more than this note.
    
837.5,,blah blah'' sounds right for some managersIJSAPL::KLERKTheo de KlerkWed Aug 26 1987 12:307
 For those who don't like the ``quoting'' and conform the official
 way of doing it in quite a few European languages, you ought to
 use  ,,this''  rather than ``that''.
 With the good old fashioned typewriter (the one that works if the
 electricity stops...) it seemed almost been replaced by "this".

Theo