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Conference vaxuum::document_ft

Title:DOCUMENT T1.0
Notice:**New notesfile (DOCUMENT.NOTE) now available (see note 897)**
Moderator:CLOSET::ADLER
Created:Mon Feb 09 1987
Last Modified:Thu Oct 31 1991
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:897
Total number of notes:4397

734.0. "DOC$SETUP.COM/Crash" by DICKNS::FRIEDMAN () Fri Jul 31 1987 10:21

    Don't ever put the old command procedure invocation
    
    $ @DOC$ROOT:[SETUP]DOC$SETUP
    
    in the system manager's LOGIN.COM. On our MicroVAXes it caused a
    bad crash during system boot, with an exec stack dump and a message
    about UISBG.EXE.
                                                       
    
    Marty
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734.1Must define all logicals firstDECWET::CUSTERFri Jul 31 1987 12:4610
    This error has occurred on some of our systems here at DECwest. It is a
    particularly nasty error as it is difficult to bring your system back
    up. I believe it happens when SYLOGIN.COM (or worse, SYSTARTUP.COM)
    references a logical name that has not yet been defined.  
    
    So @DOC$ROOT:[SETUP]DOC$SETUP is probably not at fault.  More likely,
    it's the sequence of events occurring in your SYSTARTUP.COM or
    SYLOGIN.COM files.
    
    	-hkc
734.2MARTY::FRIEDMANFri Jul 31 1987 13:553
    I never did understand why the system manager's login.com would
    be executed during boot.
    
734.3CLOSET::ADLERFri Jul 31 1987 17:0413
Perchance did you just install SECURPACK? I ask because I had a similar
problem on my MicroVAX when I installed SECURPACK, and the solution
was to modify SYSTARTUP.COM so that

SYS$MANAGER:SECPACK_STARTUP.COM 

is executed before

SYS$MANAGER:STARTVWS.COM

If that's not the problem, ignore this reply.

--Brian
734.4MARTY::FRIEDMANFri Jul 31 1987 17:065
    I think .1 hit the nail on the head, in that the general problem
    is one of timing and is usually caused by an inappropriate invocation
    of things (order or otherwise) in the files called during boot time.
    
    Marty
734.5Startup FilesDECWET::CUSTERFri Jul 31 1987 17:3014
    RE .2
    
    The file called SYLOGIN.COM is a system-wide analog of your personal
    LOGIN.COM file.  It simply sets up certain logicals, definitions, and
    software that need to be available to everyone on a particular system.
    It is executed before your personal LOGIN.COM file so that LOGIN.COM
    can override the default environment.  When a VAX is booted, the file
    SYSTARTUP.COM is executed before SYLOGIN.COM and performs even more
    fundamental tasks, such as starting workstation windowing software and
    starting up DECnet. 
    
    Hope this explanation helps.

    	-hkc
734.6MARTY::FRIEDMANMon Aug 03 1987 11:375
    re .-1 
    
    I am referring to SYS$MANAGER:LOGIN.COM, not SYLOGIN.COM.

    
734.7SECUREPACK was the culpritCUPOLA::JHUGHESLooking for a few good...Tue Aug 04 1987 14:208
    
    Thanks Brian,
    
    	I had the same problem, I changed SYSTARTUP to execute SECUREPACK
        before STARTVWS, and the system boots fine.
    
    JpH