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Conference vaxuum::document_ft

Title:DOCUMENT T1.0
Notice:**New notesfile (DOCUMENT.NOTE) now available (see note 897)**
Moderator:CLOSET::ADLER
Created:Mon Feb 09 1987
Last Modified:Thu Oct 31 1991
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:897
Total number of notes:4397

634.0. "How do YOU make LN03 figures?" by VAXUUM::DEVRIES (M.D. -- your Device Doctor) Fri Jul 10 1987 14:34

    Topic #622, discussing sixel files from VAXmates, prompts me to
    ask these questions:
    
    (1) WHAT TOOLS DO YOU USE TO GET SIXEL-FORMAT FIGURE FILES?
    
	Do you have to edit them for DOCUMENT use?
    	Do you have sixel files that print standalone but don't print
    	    as DOCUMENT figure? 
    
    (2) WHAT TOOLS DO YOU USE TO GET LN03-PRINTABLE GRAPHICS OTHER THAN
    	SIXELS?
    
    	This would include things that do VT100 line-drawing graphics.
    
    --Mark
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634.1CUPOLA::HAKKARAINENThis too shall passFri Jul 10 1987 15:0316
    The most commonly used tool is Capture. A few folks have used
    DECslide/DECgraph. We've produce a book with a large number of screen
    samples from Baseview.
    
    There's been a need to edit the sixel files to get the blank space
    correctly balanced.
    
    Writers who've been using WPSplus to DECpage have used the Wps+
    Two-dimensional editor. Those files will have to be handled when
    we start to convert some projects to Document.
    
    We handle a number of FMS-based products. At some point, those will
    need to be converted to VAX Forms, which supports Postscript; until
    then, we still need to be able to print the form displays.
    
    There's probably even some Peco stuff kicking around.
634.2SANTEE::GREENEMichael GreeneFri Jul 10 1987 16:362
    For line drawing -- have used Flavio's old PICMODE utility --- works
    fine when you don't have a VS/SIGHT available...
634.3I'll use anything that works!NWLONG::LONGFri Jul 10 1987 17:5333
    
    I've been crawling around the PICMODE screen for months, now, and
    my comments on the VAXMATE issues are my current attempt to break
    away from just lines, boxes, and monospaced type.  Also, using
    PICMODE to do graphics for overhead slides (my most popular
    deliverable) isn't all that great; the line density is too light,
    and the type too small, for reading more than a few feet away...
    
    I intend to use a combination of VWS tools (GRED/SIGHT/RENDER),
    and my VAXmate.  I'll use the VWS tools for "precision" drawings,
    and the VAXmate for cartoons.  I have a copy of NEWSROOM (??)
    on order which is supposed to have a lot of clip art with it.
    
    Slightly longer term, I will be moving to a PostScript environment,
    and will be using Gent's sixel to PostScript translator for the
    clip art stuff (unless, wonder_of_wonders, the PostScript driver
    in the VAXmate can handle the artwork...)
    
    I sense a more general question in your specific ones, namely
    what do folks see as requirements for a generalized graphics
    tools suite?  Parenthetically, it's "device independence", but
    in practical terms I would be happy with a working set of
    translators.  There are a lot of good (well, better than PICMODE)
    graphics tools out there, none of which can (or want to) talk
    to each other.  When I talk to vendors about graphics transport,
    they mumble something about DIME format files and wander off
    to talk to someone else...  

    Now, if I can just get my KOALA Pad files off of my Atari, into
    DOCUMENT... hmmm... where did I put my copy of Action!?
    
    Harold
    
634.4Whats used around hereBUNSUP::LITTLETodd Little, New York Area SWS, 323-4475Mon Jul 13 1987 12:0919
    I use GRED for almost everything.  Sometimes in a rush to get something
    out the door and I'm converting a "figure" from Runoff that was
    just a .literal, I leave it as a <DISPLAY> or some other monospaced
    example with |\/-_+ characters (blech!)
    
    The scarcity of VS's around here makes the general user population a
    bit testy at times, although most love the output they finally get.
    VAX Sight is probably the next most used tool.
    
    I've had requests for people wanting to use PROsight, and PICMODE,
    but no one has pushed the point enough to try it, or they do manual
    paste up after the fact.

    One other request that comes up is for line-drawing character support
    for output from PECO, and some tool thats floating around for producing
    VTX frames, that generates line-drawing character figures.  I can
    try to find out the name if you're interested.
    
    -tl
634.5Any which way we can!GNUVAX::LIBRARIANLooking at the big skyMon Jul 13 1987 12:4332
     
     We are using;
     
     CAPTURE		To capture screens
     
     GRED,SIGHT		The light tables continue to gather dust
     
     Baseview et al	If the software will provide it's own graphics
           		who are we to grumble?  :^)
                        
     DECslide		To sixelize all sorts of stuff including FMS
     
     IMAGE              This has come in handy *a lot* and frequently
     Software		with art that was never touched by the scanner.
                        Many of the screens from CAPTURE and Baseview
     			etc. are a full 80 columns wide and won't fit
     			into Document. The only way we have figured
     			out to resize this type of art is to read the
     			.SIX into IMAGE, write it back out as a .UIS,
     			and then RENDER/SIZE it to fit the required
     			doctype. This works really slick! The image
     			software will also allow cropping of a sixel
     			file. 
                          
     
     We have had to edit some sixel files with a text editor to get
     them to look just like we wanted them to, but not to get them to
     print at all. I've also had to remove formfeeds from the bottoms
     of some sixel files. 
     
     
     				Lance
634.6IMAGE?DPDMAI::DAVISJJerry Davis @DLO, Dallas - 451-2929Tue Aug 04 1987 18:116
    Where is IMAGE?
    
    It sounds like neat stuff!
    
    What else does it do?
    
634.7VISUAL::IMAGING conferenceGNUVAX::LIBRARIANLooking at the big skyWed Aug 05 1987 09:537
    
    See the VISUAL::IMAGING conference (KP7 to add...), note 32.
    
    You may also want to check out GUMMO::FSEIMAGING.
    
    
    			Lance