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Conference vaxuum::document_ft

Title:DOCUMENT T1.0
Notice:**New notesfile (DOCUMENT.NOTE) now available (see note 897)**
Moderator:CLOSET::ADLER
Created:Mon Feb 09 1987
Last Modified:Thu Oct 31 1991
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:897
Total number of notes:4397

390.0. "<ALIGN>(pos) my wor(l)d." by 51336::LISSDANIELS (Torbjorn Lissdaniels, Network Services Stockholm) Tue May 19 1987 05:48

    Having been trying to use DOCUMENT to produce overheads, with
    some success I must admit, I find that I need/want more placement
    control on the line.
    
    I want to create spacing to highlight certain words, and that I
    cannot find ways of doing that today.
    
    * The addition of a <TAB> TAG would greatly help, AND/OR the
    * addition of a <SPACES>(number_of_spaces) to really add space
    * between words.
    
    Another need I have is to make Table-like structures in a list,
    sometimes using different fontsize in the two ( or more ) parts
    of the table.
    
    * Addition of an <ALIGN>(pos) TAG would make this really simple.
    
    I find it really frustrating that the program today will not
    cater for my wishes to increase the readablity of the document.
    I said my needs were for OVERHEAD but I see no reason to limit
    these improvements to that document type.
    
    Looking forward to the next version

    Torbjorn, ( Network Service program manager in Sweden.)
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390.1_char or _after ?CLOSET::ANKLAMTue May 19 1987 08:345
    
    Have to you looked at the <align_char> and <align_after> tags? They
    seem to be what you are looking for.
    
    
390.2No ! BUT...51336::LISSDANIELSTorbjorn Lissdaniels, Network Services StockholmTue May 19 1987 09:2121
    Well I spent the time since I put in the note to do this with
    <ALIGN_CHAR> but since OVERHEAD-font is propotional there is no
    way of doing it with spaces of the size of a digit.
    
    <ALIGN_AFTER>(word) seem to require a heading or some text on some
    line preceding the list. I did not want any text preceeding my table
    this time...
    
    I almost did it with <TABLE> but I could not get the right BULLET
    in front of the text...
    
    I really want to <ALIGN> to a position on the paper (pixel) or to
    a declared <TAB>-stop.
    
    * So in addition to 390.0 I need a <SET_TAB_STOP>(pos[\pos[\...]])
    The sense of absolute spacing exist already in the <TABLE_SETUP>
    so it is possible to do... PLEASE MAKE IT SIMPLE.
    
    OR alternatively, give a TAG that turn on or off the recognition
    of the TAB-char in free text e.g. <TAB_ON> and <TAB_OFF> and let
    GUTENTAG decipher it for TEX.
390.3Try simple lists around unnumbered listsFNYFS::WYNFORDThe Rented LoonyWed May 20 1987 04:468
    I had to do some overheads recently and found that with a short
    unnumbered list all the elements were way over on the left and looked
    quite ridiculous. What I did was enclose the list in successive
    simple lists until the various elements had moved over enough to
    the right to look the way I wanted. This has the effect of providing
    you with a TAB-stop without any extra effort...
    
    Gavin
390.4<line>(indent) ?CLOSET::ANKLAMWed May 20 1987 10:164
    
    If all you want to do is to move text over, you can use the
    <line>(Indent) tag.
    
390.5Want to do 2 cols. SIMPLY !51336::LISSDANIELSTorbjorn Lissdaniels, Network Services StockholmThu May 21 1987 04:5332
    Ok, What I REALLY tried to do THIS time was, to get an unumbered
    list with two collumns. i.e. I wanted the nice big bullet, but also
    a second collumn aligned on the right hand of the page too.
    
    Doing it with <TABLE> would be ok IF I could get the BIG BULLET.
    I did not find any way of creating that <MATH_CHAR> put the bullet
    too low and too small.
    
    I've might have sounded really irritated, I was at the time, but
    the point I was trying to make is that I you could make the use
    DOCUMENT more easy for occasional user like myself by adding
    TAGs that are "normal" and logical to use in wordprocessing.
    Aligning text on a TAB-stop is THE MOST SIMPLE WAY I can find.
    <ALIGN>(pos) is more general and can be used to implement a <TAB>.
    
    I feel quite strongly about software that pretend to be more
    intelligent that the user, ( I guess my pride is hurt ) and 
    especially when it comes to OVERHEADS there have to be BIG
    freedom on how to do the layout.
    
    When it comes to other DOC-types I have not used them yet, I
    only want to say that document format ( layout ) standards differs
    between countries, and that I think DOCUMENT must cater for an
    easy way of handling this. I know that the mechanism is there,
    but it is well documented enough ? I don't know yet.
    
    I really want Document to be good since Digital need ONE product
    that can do it all, compound documents etc.  Today everyone have
    their own favourite, and the worst is PROsight: "Where is my frendly
    PRO with the needed plotter ?"
    
    Regards,
390.6make sure you are measuring the right thingATLAST::BOUKNIGHTEverything has an outlineThu May 21 1987 14:255
    "tab stop" alignment would be allright if the "column" is specified
    in terms of a measurement in picas or something on the page from
    the left hand margin.
    
    jack