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Conference vaxuum::document_ft

Title:DOCUMENT T1.0
Notice:**New notesfile (DOCUMENT.NOTE) now available (see note 897)**
Moderator:CLOSET::ADLER
Created:Mon Feb 09 1987
Last Modified:Thu Oct 31 1991
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:897
Total number of notes:4397

310.0. "<FOOTNOTE> Tag" by PANAMA::GILLIAM (PANAMA A Free and Independent Node) Mon Apr 27 1987 12:39

At the first occurrence of a footnote, DOCUMENT correctly places the footnote 
at the bottom of the page. All subsequent references to the same footnote on 
succeeding pages produce only the superscript and no footnote.

This occurred using SOFTWARE.REFERENCE and VMSREF.

Here's a test file that failed to produce the footnote at the bottom of the
second and third pages.

<head1>(Footnotes)
<p>
This is a footnote<footnote>(1\Always be careful when you use footnotes.).
<page>
<head1>(More Footnotes)
<p>
Here's another footnote<footref>(1).
<page>
<head1>(Even More Footnotes)
<p>
Here's another footnote<footref>(1).
    
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310.1normal behavior?3D::BOYACKpithy...pithy...pithyTue Apr 28 1987 09:233
    I'm not absolutely positive, but I'm almost certain that this is
    the way <FOOTNOTE>,<FOOTREF> are designed to work. (I thought I saw
    it documented somewhere, but couldn't find the description.)
310.2Normal vs. AbnormalPANAMA::GILLIAMPANAMA A Free and Independent NodeTue Apr 28 1987 15:2822
    re: .1
    I don't think so. When I associate a callout with a footnote, I
    expect the association to remain in effect throughout the file.
    Subsequent footnote references (using the <FOOTREF> tag) should 
    generate an appropriate footnote at the bottom of the page where the 
    footnote reference occurs (whenever I use the callout).

    What you're saying is that footnotes can appear only on the page
    where the reference first occurs. The <footref> tag takes 9 arguments.
    I haven't seen many documents where there are 9 footnotes on the same
    page. (Although I know, sooner or later, I'll see one.)
    
    Besides, how would you know where one page ended and the next page
    began? Only the text formatting stage can tell you that.
    
    In any case, if this is normal behavior, it's not consistent with
    the behavior of footnotes in multipage tables. Footnote references
    in multipage tables generate a footnote at the end of the table 
    (on the page where the reference occurs) no matter how many pages 
    the table appears on.
    
    I may be entirely wrong.
310.3footnotes in text don't repeatVAXUUM::KOHLBRENNERTue Apr 28 1987 16:5936
    I believe that the <footnote> tag in text places the footnote
    text at the bottom of the same page, but does not again repeat the
    text on subsequent pages.  So a <footref> tag on a later page
    forces the reader to flip back to the earlier page on which the
    footnote occurred.  (I suspect that books in which multiple
    references to the same footnote appear will often gather all the
    footnotes at the end of the chapter or the end of the book.)
    
    This is inconsistent with the way footnote text is repeated in tables,
    as you indicated.  But in tables, you specify the <footnote> tag
    "up front", after the <table_setup> tag.  Then in each table row,
    when you want a callout to appear, you use the <footref> tag.
    
    So you might want the sequence of callouts to go down the first
    column, then down the second column, then down the third column.
    You control that, because you give the actual callout in the arg
    to the <footref> tag.
    
    In terms of "being able to implement this stuff", it means that
    the tag translator (and TeX) need keep the footnote text around
    only for the duration of the table, and then it can be flushed.
    If we did the same kind of repetition of the footnote text in
    text (outside of tables, that is), we'd have to keep all the footnote
    texts around from the start of the book or chapter to the end of
    the book or chapter, 'cause we'd never know when you were going
    to slip in another <footref> on us.  
    
    When you think about it, the whole business of footnoting and
    calling out of the footnote from another place (footref) should be 
    done with symbols.  It is kind of ridiculous to have to go
    back to the front of a chapter to insert a new footnote and then
    have to march forward through the chapter (book?) and renumber
    all the old footnotes and footrefs...                              
    
    Another item, for which we had working code, pressing needs and
    not enough time to do it with all the bells and whistles.
310.4User Memory ProblemSTAR::GILLIAMMon May 04 1987 11:2619
    After talking to a few editors, I realized that my confusion resulted
    from my own use of footnotes. Back in the age of the typewriter,
    one avoided using footnote references in text because you always had to 
    remember to leave enough space at the bottom of the page for one
    or more footnotes. The writer had two options: place the footnote
    at the bottom of the page once (and then use ibid and so forth) or create 
    a list of footnotes at the end of the document. 
    
    Because my documents aren't term papers or research papers, I have
    never used a footnote in text. Occasionally, I use footnotes in
    tables. (Although, I knew DOCUMENT made a distinction between
    footnotes in text and in tables, I thought it was for coding purposes
    only.)

    I haven't written a term paper in seven years, so I forgot about
    all the canon law for footnotes set forth in Kate Turabian's A Manual
    for Writers and the MLA Handbook.