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Conference vaxuum::document_ft

Title:	DOCUMENT T1.0
Notice:	New notesfile (DOCUMENT.NOTE) now available (see note 897)
Moderator:	CLOSET::ADLER

Created:	Mon Feb 09 1987
Last Modified:	Thu Oct 31 1991
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	897
Total number of notes:	4397

150.0. "integration? seamless? rough cut maybe" by ATLAST::BOUKNIGHT (Everything has an outline) Tue Mar 24 1987 22:41

    FMS V2.3 has a companion set of fonts in two LN03 cartridges for
    printing screen images.  These produce fine screen hardcopy.
    
    The problems is: the set is contained in TWO cartridges. This means
    that there will be no room for RAM cartridges to print DOCUMENT
    output on the same LN03. And this means there will be no way to
    embedded FMS screens in DOCUMENT output.
    
    This is another example of a font set need for DOCUMENT like the
    one for VT100 line drawing (the PICMODE technique). Is any one working
    with the FMS people to see about getting a set of down-line loadable
    fonts that can be installed in DOCUMENT to solve this problem?
    
    Other than that, how about a POSTSCRIPT set of fonts that mimic
    the ones in the cartridges? Would that cause some sort of legal
    problems?
    
    I know about CAPTURE. To use CAPTURE, you have to have a VT2xx terminal
    and that doesn't always produce the size image you want.  It also
    seems to me to be a crock that works well inside the company but
    one I wouldn't want to expose to customers.
    
    jack

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
150.1	Get out the glue pot	CUPOLA::HAKKARAINEN	Albatross!	`Wed Mar 25 1987 08:23`	11
	Re Postscript -- VAX Forms supports Postscript output. (The current version works only in a workstation environment, Character cell terminal support will be in the next release, I believe.) Re FMS -- Is it the fonts or the ln03 driver? I've tried including FMS output in a document, thnough not recently, and found that dvi-to-ln03 converter complained about the figure file not be a sixel file.
150.2	FMS issues device specific code to LN03	ATLAST::BOUKNIGHT	Everything has an outline	`Wed Mar 25 1987 08:49`	14
	VAXforms will not be an immediate worry. FMS will. Postscript is not an issue because FMS does not output POSTSCRIPT. I mentioned POSTSCRIPT as a stopgap method of "faking" FMS screens by creating them by hand (or maybe as an extension to GRED). FMS creates device specific codes for the LN03 that assume that the proper cartridges are installed in the LN03. I would assume that if the fonts were made available as a downline loadable set for DOCUMENT, we would still have to solve the problem of converting the FMS output to something DOCUMENT's device convertor could handle. jack
150.3	There IS an FMS notes file!	DSSDEV::BOURQUARD	One form leads to another	`Thu Apr 02 1987 15:45`	18
	Maybe if somebody complained in the right place we'd have a solution to this matter. There's no mention of this in the FMS notes file, the FMS Product Manager has not been notified, and neither have I. One of our writers notified me of an FMS font discussion in the Document notes file. I popped into the old notes file by accident and found out that this was brought up last September. Before we released V2.3 of FMS we discussed the matter extensively with the LN03 group in Maynard and decided it was best to release the fonts on ROM cartridges. We've sold a lot of them since then an have received no complaints, so far. Since we now know of the conflict with the DOCUMENT fonts I'll bring this up with the Product Manager to see what can be done. As far as I know, TBU owns the fonts and it would ultimately be up to them whether to release soft-fonts or not. Dan Bourquard FMS Project Leader
150.4	Location of FMS notes file	DSSDEV::EPPES	Dignity, always dignity	`Thu Apr 02 1987 15:48`	8
	Incidentally, the FMS notes file is located at DSSDEV::FMSNOTES. Press KP7/SELECT to add it to your notebook. -- Nina (the guilty party who alerted the FMS project leader)
150.5	Glad to have help!	VAXUUM::ADLER		`Thu Apr 09 1987 20:34`	1
	Thanks, Nina! --Brian