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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1348
Total number of notes:5438

1311.0. "Informix +3GB RAM=OK!!!" by MUNICH::KRNETA () Wed Nov 10 1993 10:14

Hi,



After tuning/configuring the OSF/1 1.3 and the SPECIAL UK version of OnLine
we might have a EXCELLENT thing in our hands: Online with up to 4 GB of
buffers(shared memory), beating a **** out of any competitor on almost
any benchmark with the database that's 2-4GB in size:

WE can SHOW it NOW (all we need is RAM). Here is the report:

regards,

Paul

PS: COULD YOU PROVIDE ME WITH THE IDEAS and EXAMPLES(small) OF HOW TO
    SHOW/DEMO THIS GREAT STUFF WITH INFORMIX !




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OnLine 5.00 UD2 configuration: 1,100,000 buffers(~2.5 GB of shared memory)

System:     DEC 3000/500 with 256 MB RAM and 5 GB swap. OnLine started
            OK and I ran a couple of simple tests to prove it works. The
	    system was swapping heavilly, what else with 10:1 ratio of
	    shared_memory to RAM!
	    All tests completed successfully with no problems whatsoever!


Next:       test Informix with 3.5 GB of shared memory(=1,800,000 buffers)
	    this might be a problem if there is a int in the control
	    structures of OnLine 5.0. 
	    Looks like there are NO SIGNED INT problems.

Paul Krneta, Alpha Resource Center(BPDA_GY) Munich, Germany



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informix at malibu> tbstat -b

RSAM Version 5.00.UD2   -- On-Line -- Up 00:10:29 -- 2607456 Kbytes

Buffers
address  user     flgs pagenum  memaddr  nslots pgflgs xflgs owner
waitlist
 0 modified, 1100000 total, 2097152 hash buckets, 2048 buffer size
********************************************************************
informix at malibu> tbstat -R

RSAM Version 5.00.UD2   -- On-Line -- Up 00:15:08 -- 2607456 Kbytes

16 buffer LRU queues
LRU  0:    0 ( 0.0%) modified of 137500 total
LRU  1:    0 ( 0.0%) modified of 137500 total
LRU  2:    0 ( 0.0%) modified of 137500 total
LRU  3:    0 ( 0.0%) modified of 137500 total
LRU  4:    0 ( 0.0%) modified of 137500 total
LRU  5:    0 ( 0.0%) modified of 137500 total
LRU  6:    0 ( 0.0%) modified of 137500 total
LRU  7:    0 ( 0.0%) modified of 137500 total
0 dirty, 1100000 queued, 1100000 total, 2097152 hash buckets, 2048
buffer size
start clean at 90% dirty, stop at 50%
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Swap space free = 50.04% (2582.0MB out of 5160.2MB)
Total swap space to physical memory = 2015.70% (5160.2MB to 256.0MB)
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1311.1COPCLU::BRUNSGAARDI swear to say the whole truth as often as I canThu Nov 11 1993 00:4017
But then again
who on earth wouldn't get decent performance figures out of using 3GByte memory
for database buffer ????

I mean taht would be like saying you would be able to get decent performance
from a programming language if you only did
a:=17
b:=19
aso.
hardly a true or even realistic benchmark....

sorry but I'm not that impressed.
Now tell us what the difference was from the previous version of Informix on the
OSF 1.2 version, so we can hear what the difference the new version made.

cheers
Lars
1311.2OSF/1 is not BABY-UNIXMUNICH::KRNETAThu Nov 11 1993 09:5517
    re -.1
    
    >who on earth wouldn't get decent performance figures out of using
    >3GByte memory
    >for database buffer ????
    
    didn't get it, did You?  OK, all other UN*X vendors are able to
    deliver only BABY-UN*X, that means 32-bit UN*X, limitted to 2 GB of
    virtual address space per process AND 2 GB of RAM.
    
    You are right when You say "who on earth wouldn't get decent
    performance figures out of using 3GByte memory", but they CAN NOT USE
    3 GB of memory. 
    
    regards,
    
    Paul  
1311.3So this is because of 64 bit OSF/1, right?IJSAPL::OLTHOFWhat I need right now is visionThu Nov 11 1993 10:0114
    So let me get this straight:
    
    - the claim is that we can do this because of our 64 bit OSF/1
      implementation, correct?
    - if so, could other DB vendors like Oracle, Ingres or Sybase use the
      same strategy
    
    Don't know the numbers but 3BG of memory must be a lot of dollars. Is
    this solution really affordable for regular computing?
    
    Interesting benchmark still, shows database vendors which way to go.
    
    Thanks for the info,
    Henny Olthof
1311.4think in advance or let SUN/HP claim 64-bitMUNICH::KRNETAMon Nov 15 1993 16:1221
    re .-1
    
    >So this is because of 64 bit OSF/1, right?
       right.
    
    >if so, could other DB vendors like Oracle, Ingres or Sybase use the
    >same strategy
    
    yes, they could, but we have to check and make sure their code is OK.
    
    >Don't know the numbers but 3BG of memory must be a lot of dollars. Is
    >this solution really affordable for regular computing?
    how big was memory on VAX 11/780 in 1978? 1/2 MB? and today? 1/2 GB?
    the factor is 1000:1 in 10-15 years? Our GB RAM is approx $100-150K.
    If you get facto 5:1 improvement for soeme apps is it worth it?
    Ever bought 1GB RAM for IBM 3090?
    
    regards,
    
    Paul
    
1311.5Ahhhh, now I seeCOPCLU::BRUNSGAARDI swear to say the whole truth as often as I canTue Nov 16 1993 10:337
AHHH Thanks Paul,

Baby-Unix !

Great buzz-word, I'll definitly use that !

Lars
1311.6tm: BABY-MAINFRAME as wellMUNICH::KRNETATue Nov 16 1993 11:0310
    re .-1
    
    >Baby-Unix !
    >Great buzz-word, I'll definitly use that !
    
    there is a BABY-MAINFRAME as well
    
    Paul
    
    PS: Baby-Unix and Baby-Mainframe are trademarked by mysekf :-)