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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1348
Total number of notes:5438

1306.0. "Rdb and VLDB and the competition" by HAN::DOERING (Gimme three steps, mista !) Thu Oct 28 1993 11:48

Hi,

we are currently working on a feasibility study in the public sector.
Currently they use VSAM/ISAM data files where they store their data
in binary format (VERY old applications, all Assembler). E.g. they
store a birthdate in a 2 bytes format to save disk space !

All together, they now have 150 GigaBytes (!) of data, mostly in this
compressed formats. Single files are up to 20 GB compressed. 

They want to go to client/server and databases. One of their biggest
concerns is their huge amount of data (they reckon to multiply by
2-20 from today's GB if they use an RDBMS).

What will we offer in the future (faster backup/restore...) to cope 
with such amounts of data ? (Rdb=VLDB...). 

How does the competition do (from Oracle/Informix to DB2) ?
What about references (e.g. the largest Rdb database on the planet) ?

Any help is appreciated,
/Andreas
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1306.1NOVA::DIMINOFri Oct 29 1993 00:0715
> What will we offer in the future (faster backup/restore...) to cope 
> with such amounts of data ? (Rdb=VLDB...). 


150 Gbytes is not unreasonable for an Rdb DB. Backup/restore isn't a
problem. We can backup 150 Gbyte in about 4 hours given the hardware,
and we can do that today. If backup/restore is an issue, all the
others will find it hard to compete, their system's costs will be
much higher for the same performance, if they can achieve it at all.

You don't have to sell futures with Rdb. I don't know what the
largest Rdb database on the planet is. But in a few years 150 Gbyte
won't be considered all that special.

-lou
1306.2Don't force client to move what they don't need to move ...ACESMK::RLEEFri Nov 19 1993 23:1220
    And on the other hand:
    
    ** Don't discount how much they love their legacy system ...
    
    Just completed the feasibility phase of a data warehouse project where
    DB Integrator was used to connect thru RdbAccess for RMS to VSAM and
    ISAM ASCII formatted files thru an Interlink (TM) TCP/IP to SNA
    gateway.  I didn't have a lot of time on this project -- but one of the
    open issues was whether or not EBCDIC files could be autotranslated
    by the Interlink (TM) Gateway before transmission.
    
    Alternative?  DECnet/SNA Data Transfer Facility (DTF) should handle the
    binary translation problem for RdbAccess for RMS in a DECnet protocol
    environment.
    
    Beauty of DB Integrator?  It makes the legacy files look like SQL
    tables.  With products like the next DEC Data Distributor, the whole
    process of transporting the legacy data becomes an automation dream.
    
    2 cents worth ... /bob lee/