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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1348
Total number of notes:5438

1274.0. "ORACLE7 usage problems?" by AMCCXN::KARIM () Fri Aug 06 1993 18:16

    I have just installed Oracle7 on AXP on OpenVMS and planning to do the
    same on OSF. Installation was quite straight forward on OpenVMS.
    However, building an application with their so called user freindly 4GL
    tool set is another story!! I can't seem to get any of the tools to
    work such the SQL*DBA, SQL*NET, etc.. I have defined all the right logicals
    (atleast I think I have) correctly, but nothing seems to work. When I
    try to invoke SQLDBA it comes back with a error activating ORA_COREV7!!
    
    Since this is my first experience with ORACLE I am quite surprised at
    their documentation and user interface. It seems like it is far more
    complex than Rdb just to get things or the basics going!! Perhaps it is
    my lack of knowledge of ORACLE! 
    
    Anyway, since getting support from ORACLE is currently under political
    hold, I would appreciate if anyone had experience with the product
    point me in the right direction. Thanks in advance.
    
    
    ....dabir
    DTN 592-5035
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1274.1 Poltically correct consultingSIERAS::WALLISBarry Wallis, DTN 536-2060: Dreamer...Owner...DoerSat Aug 07 1993 00:0921
    >Anyway, since getting support from ORACLE is currently under political
    >hold, 

    So, someone expects you to work with a new product that you have no
    knowledge of and not use any support from the vendor of the product?
    Sounds like a prescription for failure.

    We in what used to be the Production Systems Resource Centers
    anticipated this and were setting up Oracle training for the end of
    this month (this would put us on our way to being "open" consultants on
    other than DEC data management products). However, we have been
    reorgainzed (into Digital Consulting, no less) and we too have found
    that the training is on "political hold". It looks like the corporation
    only wants us to concentrate on delivering consulting for our own
    products for the time being. We better be careful, pretty soon they'll
    want us to sell them also. Ooops, selling our products, that was last
    fiscal year.

    ;-} (sarcasm? you bet)

    - Barry
1274.2CSC32::S_MAUFEthis space for rentSat Aug 07 1993 00:537
    
    hold on - PC WEEK yesterday had Bob Palmer saying with the new
    commission plan reps would be selling Oracle as much as selling Rdb.
    
    Seems the plan from the higher-ups is being diluted again!
    
    Simon
1274.3I'm so confused !MSDOA::SECRISTIt's software & marketing, stupid !Mon Aug 09 1993 17:2120
	Gee, and I thought it sounded like training for our own products
	was kind of trying-to-be-put-on-hold due to what MCS, etal. has
	been asked to ramp up on and how "there are already course for
	Rdb, etal."

	Who is supposed to be in charge of the "national vision" for
	training ?  I keep hearing the CBUs drive everything but that always
	sounds like a couple of levels of indirection from whatever is
	being done at the moment.

	Sybase training is unavailable internally as well.

	Question: outside of eduplan, or convenience-by-proximity, etc.
	why would customers want to get their Oracle training from Digital
	instead of Oracle directly ?!  Isn't this a prime target for 
	"out-sourcing" ?

	Regards,
	rcs