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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
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Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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1155.0. "OLTP defense systems" by TAV02::NITSAN (One side will make you larger) Wed May 27 1992 17:12

This may not be directly related to the original purpose of this
conference, however, I post this question on several TP related
conferences in hope for a quick and detailed reply.

We are in a competitive situation for a large TP project for a
"defense type" customer. The original request was for an "OPEN"
system, which is basically interpreted by the customer as a Unix
system. However, we have managed to raise doubts in the customer's
mind about how mature the Unix/TP market is, and our main hope
now is to convince them that DECtp products on VMS are mature
enough as well as functionally good for their purposes (and,
of-course, also on the way to "openness"...).

Our main competitors right now seem to be IBM with ENSENA (sp?) and
DG with TUXEDO (sp?). We have been asked the following:

   HOW MANY/WHICH *OLTP* DEFENSE SYSTEM TODAY ARE BASED ON VAX/VMS
   VS. HOW MANY/WHICH ARE BASED ON UNIX ???

Any help is appreciated.
/Nitsan
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1155.1OLTP -vs- High AvailabilityNOVA::NOVA::R_ANDERSONMy timing is Digital.Wed May 27 1992 17:2313
    You may be confusing "OLTP" with "High Availability".  I imagine there
    are a lot of OLTP applications running in the defense world on UNIX
    (a lot of my past employers' products are running in the military world
    :-).  However, this does not mean that the applications have "high
    availability" (an oxymoron in the Unix world).
    
    VAX/VMS OLTP systems have "high availability" (along with higher cost,
    I imagine).  I would guess that there are a limited number of these
    types of "mission critical" applications in the military world, but
    less so than in the commercial/industrial worlds.
    
    IMHO.
    Rick
1155.2What are the real requirementsTRCOA::MCMULLENKen McMullenWed May 27 1992 22:1812
    Since ENCINA is not a shipping product, we know there are 0 "defense
    systems" running today.
    
    What is important to your customer - standards, inter-operability,
    portability or are you talking to a "UNIX only biggot"? Have you talked
    to your customer about NTT/MIA?
    
    ACMS will be available on OSF in the near future, but if availability
    and a proven stable platform is what your customer requires, then ACMS
    on VMS is the solution.
    
    Ken