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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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958.0. "UNISYS DMS-II ???" by SHIPS::KEANE_J () Thu Jul 18 1991 19:40

Hello Database Types!

Does anybody have any knowledge of the UNISYS database product DMS-II?

We need to identify an upgrade strategy for such a system, probably along the 
client-server lines, where the server would be the DMS-II application.

Also, anyone familiar with the UNISYS products LINC, Mapper and ALLY, and how 
these are positioned against ULTRIX layered products?

Many Thanks,

John Keane @SBP
DTN 7-782-2326


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958.1ALLY and RALLY are relatedTRCOA::MCMULLENKen McMullenMon Jul 22 1991 21:2912
    John,
    
    ALLY comes from the same heritage as Digital's 4GL product VAX RALLY.
    As you know RALLY today will only run under VAX VMS. In the future this
    will change. There is no 4GL developed by Digital available on the
    Ultrix platform. If you are are selling Ultrix and Ultrix/SQL you would
    want to use the 4GL tools from ASK/Ingres.
    
    Mapper is an old product from UNISYS. I have no experience with the
    product but do know someone who use to support it for UNISYS many years
    ago. Try Denis Prieur at OTO. He will most likely not respond until the
    end of the month, due to a large project he is finishing.
958.2Burroughs Networking = oxymoronMJBOOT::WEINBROMJack of all trades-Master of noneWed Jul 31 1991 20:0939
    
    Do you mean DMS-II which runs on a UNISYS (Burroughs) platform?  They
    may be UNISYS now, but it helps to refer to them as Sperry and
    Burroughs when talking about UNISYS' mainframes.
    
    DMS-II is a (sort of) CODASYL compliant database with extensions.  It
    could be positioned against Digital's DBMS-32.  Sometimes, people used
    DMS-II as little more than a glorified indexed file system.  Unless
    this shop is very small or totally batch, you will also need to
    identify the TP monitor.  GEMCOS is the older product.  COMS is the
    newer one.  Neither one is much like ACMS.  
    
    LINC is a 4GL and query tool from Burroughs that can use DMS-II
    databases (and maybe ISAM files).
    
    Mapper is a 4GL and query tool from Sperry.  I'm not sure if they
    ported Mapper to Burroughs systems or LINC to Sperry systems.
    
    ALLY is explained in .1
    
    Client-server?  How to you intend to talk to the Burroughs system?  Via
    SNA?  TCP?IP (does Burroughs support TCP/IP?)  
    
    If none of the above,then I suggest that you look into BURCOM, a
    Burroughs-VAX communications package.  It contains callable terminal
    emulation routines that would allow you to roll-your own client-server
    software.  (Sort of like Digital's 3270 DataStream Interface product,
    only not as good.) Their product isn't expensive and it works, but
    frankly, the quality could be better.  It only runs on VMS.  You may
    find a similar product for ULTRIX from someone else
    
    Good luck,
    
    Steve 
    
    If you can consider/recommend a conversion (to VMS) then there is a
    product called CLONE which is supposed to convert Burroughs COBOL to
    VAX COBOL.  Look for it in back issue of Sales Update.  They may even
    produce something for ULTRIX.
958.3Try Unisys Notesfile!SIERAS::NAKAPPANThu Aug 01 1991 03:1916
    There is a corporate program now called Unisys Competitive Migration
    Program headed by Walter Manter from ISB.  He should be able to
    help you with any Unisys migration effort worldwide.  There is a 
    dedicated Notes conference for Unisys migration, namely:
    
    FASDER::Unisys_Conversion
    
    If you cross-post your note in this Notes file, you can establish
    contact with all ex-UNISYS (both Burroughs and Sperry types) within
    Digital.  Though I am an ex-Burroughs as well as ex-Sperry type,
    my Burroughs knowledge is very rusty, since I worked for them in
    mid seventies.
    
    regards
    
    Murli 
958.4CLONE Tool on VMS , etc.STRAIT::WETTYPurveyor of Fine PortsWed Sep 25 1991 23:5210
RE: -.2   Yes CLONE does work on VMS but not ULTRIX that I know of
          but the tool only does COBOL to COBOL no dbms conversion 
          is included.  

The Competitive Update library has a wealth of info on DMS II and its function-
ality. 

RE -1 The UNISYS Migration program is doing mostly SPERRY stuff and there is 
little info that I know of, that is being done on the ex-Burroghs side of
the UNISYS house.