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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1348
Total number of notes:5438

951.0. "Against Informix on HP " by ZPOVC::JEFFREYCHOY (Love the Sinners hate the sins) Tue Jul 09 1991 12:15

    Hi There,
    
    Urgently, require competitive info against Informix on HP.
    
    In the recent months, we ran benchmark using Rdb, Ingres and Sybas
    on VAXes but the results still loses to informix on HP9000.
    
    We really appreciate if we can get some bullets to shoot them down.
                         
    
    Best Regards, Jeffrey Choy
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951.1Bare bones databaseBROKE::THOMASThu Jul 11 1991 00:532
    Informix is very fast, but it's lacking in system management features
    and functions.  
951.2specific examples pleaseZPOVC::JEFFREYCHOYLove the Sinners hate the sinsMon Jul 15 1991 06:3910
    Hi,
    
    Thanks for the feedback.
    I would interprete it as there is no RdbEXPERT and DECtrace equivalent.
    Are there any specific management features in Rdb and not found in
    Informix ?
    I need all these to make a presentation to the customer.
    
    Best Regards, Jeffrey
    
951.3Real-Life demos & The whole VIA product setDPDMAI::HYDERdb �ber alles OKO 487-2256Wed Jul 31 1991 00:3539
    Hi Jeff,
    
    I was recently informed that we (VMS and VIA) beat IBM and Informix for
    a weather information system being developed jointly at the University
    of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State University.  IBM and Informix were
    proposing UNIX.
    
    One reason why we beat them is because our software licenses are free to 
    universities.  That had to be a major factor.
    
    Another reason was because the opposition sales teams were all Sales
    Reps -- no Sales Support.  They had 2 Sales Reps from IBM and 1 or 2
    from Informix.  We had 1 Sales Rep and 2 Sales Support folks.
    
    I do know that they showed a standard demo that had no likeness to 
    weather in it.  We weren't allowed in there during their demo, but I
    heard from a reliable source that they had difficulty making their demo 
    work.  For a standard demo, that's pretty poor. 
    
    Regarding our demo, we asked for what they wanted to see and gave them 
    about 5� days of weather readings on an Rdb database.  It took about 5
    days to develop.  I heard from our Sales Rep that our "Make it real" 
    strategy was a factor. 
    
    We also promoted RALLY.  We let them know that we built our admitedly 
    simple RALLY application (2 or 3 simple Form/Reports) in less than 20 
    minutes.  One of the customer folks asked if we would try to build a 
    simple inquiry and we built a quick and dirty application (1 menu and 
    1 or 2 RALLY F/R's in front of them.  It was fast -- only 5 or 10
    minutes.
    
    We also emphasized VAX Data Distributor and our networking during the
    talk portion.  Don't forget VDD if the data must be distributed.
    
    I hope some of what we did in our competitive situation is applicable
    to yours.  I also hope you can be up against a similar group of
    starched white collars with no keyboard ability.  
    
                                     Kurt