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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1348
Total number of notes:5438

857.0. "ACMS & Ingres - why?" by BEAGLE::ROWLANDS (Rob Rowlands AFSG/VIA/TP VBO 828-5480) Tue Feb 05 1991 11:35

    I'm musing a question for an Australian bid (probably not the only one,
    but that's distribution lists for you). Why would we sell ACMS
    with Ingres - what benefit for the customer?
    Clearly for Rdb/VMS we require ACMS, but this is less evident for
    Ingres. Any experience anyone?
    
    	Some of the reasons I might give :
    
    	- Performance (bearing in mind we're looking at 15 TPS)
    		
    		. no overhead of process/image startup
    		  for Ingres client proceses.
    
    	- Ease of Management
    	
    		. ACMS/STOP/START application
    				  cancel user
    		  - clearly managed user population
    		. Disable/enable tasks
    		. ACMS/REPLACE server for bugs
    	
    	- Ease/quality of development
    
    		. once learnt, coding very straightforward,
    		  automisation of code blocks possible
    
    		. modularistaion of code enforced
    
    	- Ease of maintenance
    		
    		. structured format leads to easy application
    		  maintenance
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857.1How about database threadsTRCO01::MCMULLENKen McMullenTue Feb 05 1991 14:4317
    Rob,
    
    One of the may reasons, no matter what database you are using is the
    number of concurrent database threads that must be managed by the
    datbase manager. The more users, usually mean the more locks. ACMS
    servers can drastically reduce the number of database locks, yet
    maintain a high concurrency of users with a good response time.
    
    Other things you may want to check with Ingres or other people are:
    
    	What are the largest number of concurrent users they support using
    	their 4GL tools or through 3GLs? Get references....all vendors say
    	they can do it.
    
    	Find some current ACMS/Ingres references. 
    
    Ken
857.2CIMNET::BOURDEAURich Bourdeau CIM Product MarketingTue Feb 05 1991 20:2817
    In addition...
    
      A client-server database like Ingres lets you break your application
      into two pieces, The application and the database server.  A TP
      monitor like ACMS lets you split the application anywhere you choose.
      This capability lets you divide components of your application across
      systems suited for that problem.
    
      ACMS also provides a multi-threaded front-end process which controls
      manu user process.  This capability reduces the memory required to
      support large number of users each with their own process.
    
      ACMS also provides other features like security and queueing not
      available with a client-server database.
    
      Client-server is only one feature that Ingres and ACMS have in common
      and even then the functionality of that feature is not identical.