[Search for users] [Overall Top Noters] [List of all Conferences] [Download this site]

Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1348
Total number of notes:5438

835.0. "RMU/BACKUP performance statistics wanted" by LABC::WALLIS (Barry L. Wallis | U.S. DECtp Resource Center | DTN 535-4313) Wed Dec 26 1990 19:08

Let me start out by saying that this is an "unfair" question. However, I am
looking for rules-of-thumb rather than hard and fast answers. 

Configuration:
	1 VAX 6000-510
	RA92 disk drives
	TA90 tape drives
	10 gigabyte database
	Will be running Rdb V4.0 (but I will take answers for V3.1B if I can
	get them)
	No competing jobs running on the system

What kind of RMU/BACKUP performance can be expected when backing up to disk
(using stripe sets to back up to multiple disks if needed)?

What about backing up to a single TA90 drive? 

How about multiple TA90 drives on multiple HSCs (let's say three) to do a
multi-threaded backup?

Any clues as to the performance difference between online vs. offline backup
(assuming that there were no competing jobs just to keep the playing field
level)?

Any help will be appreciated as this information will help close a large
ACMS/Rdb sale.


- Thanks,

- Barry


This has been cross-posted to RDB_31 and RDB_VMS_COMPETITION.
T.RTitleUserPersonal
Name
DateLines
835.1Check the ACMS notes conference note 1636IJSAPL::OLTHOFHenny Olthof @UTO 838-2021Thu Dec 27 1990 13:506
    Hi,
    
    Note 1636 in the ACMS notes conference (CLUSTA::ACMS) might give you
    some answers.
    
    Henny Olthof, TP-DB Netherlands
835.2A couple of examplesCOOKIE::C_DAVISBugchecks R UsThu Dec 27 1990 18:3838
The answers as I remember them from on V3.1B site running on a 6000 machine
using disk backups (bound volume sets) and TA90 (2 hoppers):
>
>What kind of RMU/BACKUP performance can be expected when backing up to disk
>(using stripe sets to back up to multiple disks if needed)?

Poor performance when compared to TA90. 8 million block RBF file in 10 hours
from a 6 gig multi-file database.
>
>What about backing up to a single TA90 drive? 

Excellent performance.  The same backup as above took 2 hours to backup (20
TA90's worth) and about five hours to restore.
>
>How about multiple TA90 drives on multiple HSCs (let's say three) to do a
>multi-threaded backup?

No multi-threaded tests where done, just single thread using two hoppers.

>
>Any clues as to the performance difference between online vs. offline backup
>(assuming that there were no competing jobs just to keep the playing field
>level)?
>

Not alot of difference.


Also, similar tests where repeated in the UK where the customer had to rethink
their backup strategy after they found that the TA90 backups where many times
faster than disk backups.  The customer was testing against a 12 million block
database.  The database was fairly empty (2 million blks of data; 4 TA90s) and
I was able to restore in my tests in about two hours on a 6000 machine.

RMU is optimized for tape backups.

Chris Davis
CSSE
835.3Thanks for your help (and a pointer)LABC::WALLISBarry L. Wallis | U.S. DECtp Resource Center | DTN 535-4313Wed Jan 09 1991 21:597
Thanks for your help. We should know by next week whether we've won the
project. If we do, I will post more details here.

If you are looking for more information on this subject, try the note I
cross-posted to RDB_31 (#1511).

- Barry
835.4TF800 seriesAKOCOA::HAGGERTYGIA EIS/SWS, Acton MA.Wed Mar 06 1991 23:148
    Does anyone have any statistics on the new TF837 tape subsystem, or
    is it still too new ?
    
    
    
    thanx
    Kevin
    
835.5NOVA::DIMINOThu Mar 07 1991 00:5115
  >  Does anyone have any statistics on the new TF837 tape subsystem, or
  >  is it still too new ?
    
    
Yes, still too new. The TF837 subsystem is low-medium performance
high capacity. 2 Gbyte capacity but IO of about 100 Kbyte/second
(.3 Gbytes/hour). But I doubt if there have been any realistic
performance mesurements performed yet.

Sounds great if your database isn't very large but you want
unattended backup.

-lou
    

835.6Try the TF857KYOA::KOCHIt never hurts to ask...Wed Apr 17 1991 23:593
    Try the new TF857. It is 2.6GB/tape, 18.2GB unattended. 
    
    The I/O is 800kb/sec, with 2 supported on each KFMSA.