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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1348
Total number of notes:5438

828.0. "Natural on Rdb, stories needed" by ZPOVC::JEFFREYCHOY (Love the Sinners hate the sins) Thu Dec 13 1990 09:34

    Hello Colleagues,
    
    Over here, several govt ministries had been using Adabas for
    a few years and recently, they are prepare to use Natural on Rdb.
    
    I need to gather some success stories of how good can Natural works
    with Rdb. I see it as a golden opportunity to sell Rdb. 
    
                                                          
    Any response to this is very much appreciated.
    
    
    Best Regards, Jeffrey
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828.1Natural/Rdb Comments Anyone?TROA01::SPACKMANThu Jan 31 1991 22:437
    Since there hasn't been any response to this request I'd like to
    re-open the question. Does anyone have any comments, good or bad, about
    the combination of Natural & Rdb? Also, are there any links, or
    export/import capabilities, between the PREDICT dictionary environment
    and CDD/Plus? 
    
    -- Janet
828.2Single Server Architecture?ARRODS::HOONHOUTGidday from the UK!Wed Feb 06 1991 16:2020
    More importantly...

    NATURAL with ADABAS on IBM and on VAX uses a single process to control
    ALL database operations.  This is fine when you're running 12 partitions
    on a 3081, one of which can be dedicated to database serving.

    This is a right pain with SMP and Clusters because the database server
    can only run on on CPU board and only on one node in a cluster. 

    Combine this with NATURAL's tendency to use packed decimal and all of
    a sudden that two or three node 6x20 cluster you proposed is looking 
    very dogy indeed.  (9000 here we come).

    The big question is: How does NATURAL use VAX Rdb/VMS?  Does it still
    implement this single server approach?  If so, how the heck are you
    going to cope with 500+ concurrent users on a VAX based NATURAL system
    REGARDLESS of which database it's using?

    Cheers
    John
828.3"EX-SAG-Employee"VNABRW::HOEFINGER_RThu Feb 07 1991 11:5713
    -> ADABAS single process:
    ADABAS uses one process per Database, so you can use multiple databases
    -> NATURAL V2, which is able to work with RDB, has at least 50% bader
    Performance than NATURAL V1.
    -> 500+ users
    NATURAL uses RDB via DSRI-calls. Each User has his own NATURAL-Process.
    So NATURAl with RDB has no single server architecture.
    NATURAL cannot use ACMS. NATURAL will use approximatly 1 MB Memory for
    each user.
    I was a SoftwareAG employee for 3 years, so feel free to ask me.
    
    Regards 
           Raimund