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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1348
Total number of notes:5438

825.0. "CICS/VSAM to Rdb Conversion" by SRFSUP::JAIDKA () Fri Dec 07 1990 02:07

    My customer's present application presently runs in an
    IBM4083/CICS/VSAM/Cobol environment. He would like to migrate to
    a VAX/VMS/Rdb environment, but would also like to convert most of
    his data (about 3 million records occupying about 1 gigabyte).
    
    I shall be making a presentation to him on 12/10 describing our
    products and services that can aid him in this task. So far, I am
    aware of the following:
    
    1. Center for Migration Systems - convert existing data and/or software 
       
    2. RdbAccess for RMS - scheduled to be released in Q3FY91 and capable
       of providing a direct VAX SQL access gateway to VSAM data sets.
       Data definitions must be defined in CDD/Plus. Relational operations
       can be performed. Data does not actually reside in Rdb.
    
    3. VAXlink - accesses VSAM and IMS-DB through SNA gateway.
    
    4. DTF (Data Transfer Facility) - Transfers data from VSAM to RMS
       files.
       
    
    I have the following questions:
    
    1. Is this a complete list?
    2. Which of these would be most suitable for a one time conversion?
    3. Which of these would provide the lowest cost solution?
    4. Any other information that maybe pertinent and worth presenting
       to the customer.                            
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825.1How about tape transfer ?BEAGLE::GODFRINDCareful with that patch, EugeneFri Dec 07 1990 09:5647
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>    My customer's present application presently runs in an
>    IBM4083/CICS/VSAM/Cobol environment. He would like to migrate to
>    a VAX/VMS/Rdb environment, but would also like to convert most of
>    his data (about 3 million records occupying about 1 gigabyte).

You did not specify the operating system that runs on the IBM. I hope it is
MVS.

>    2. RdbAccess for RMS - scheduled to be released in Q3FY91 and capable
>       of providing a direct VAX SQL access gateway to VSAM data sets.
>       Data definitions must be defined in CDD/Plus. Relational operations
>       can be performed. Data does not actually reside in Rdb.

RdbAccess really accesses RMS files. It can access VSAM files as long as you
use it with DTF installed (which makes VSAM files appear as RMS files).

>    3. VAXlink - accesses VSAM and IMS-DB through SNA gateway.

VAXlink needs the proper extractor to be installed on the IBM mainframe; that
extractor is a 3-rd party product sold by Sterling Software. As far as I know,
we  (digital) only sell and support that version that runs on MVS. Sterling
Software may be able to supply one that runs on VSE, but you have to consider
the licensing cost and installation effort - all for a one-time job. 

>    4. DTF (Data Transfer Facility) - Transfers data from VSAM to RMS
>       files.

Again, as far as I know, we only provide the version that runs on MVS. I
believe a VM/CMS version is in FT. Here also, you need to balance the licensing
cost and installation effort with the benefits you expect to achieve.

I think one key figure is :

>    his data (about 3 million records occupying about 1 gigabyte).

All three solutions above involve data transfer over an SNA gateway. I believe
the limiting factor will be the gateway iself. You may need a high-speed
gateway (channel attached). 

My suggestion : use the sneakernet approach - extract the data from the IBM
machine on tapes, move them to the VAX and load the data in RMS files. Of
course, it will not exactly be *that* easy - you still need to write some code
to do the actual data type conversions. ;-)

/albert
825.2Use Sneaker NetTRCA01::MCMULLENKen McMullenFri Dec 07 1990 15:5514
    Just a suggestion, but sneaker net is the appropriate solution for the
    customer. The customer does not need a permanent link between Rdb and
    VSAM and therfore would not want to license software on their IBM and
    Digital hardware.
    
    Writing the code to convert the IBM tapes is no big deal (he says never
    having written it). Does anyone know of where the command procedure is 
    that pulls data off  a tape that was created on an IBM machine? I have 
    seen it referenced somewhere on the network. 
    
    Once the data is loaded into RMS files, all you need to do is write a 
    program that will do any of the necessary data conversions and then load 
    the data into Rdb.
                                 
825.3Need more info on Sneaker NetSRFSUP::JAIDKAFri Dec 07 1990 17:2610
    The sneakernet approach seems to be the most viable (and cheapest),
    since this appears to be a one time conversion. Does anyone know
    where I can find the command procedure mentioned in -.1?
    
    I shall still present the other products in case the customer:
    	- has MVS on the IBM
    	- wants to maintain a gateway link and have ready access to
    	  files on both systems.
    
    Thanks for your clarifications and suggestions.
825.4WIBBIN::NOYCEFri Dec 07 1990 17:321
    Take a look at the conferences on TYFYS::  (DIR/CONF TYFYS::)