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Title:DEC Rdb against the World
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Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
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712.0. "Dist DB @ IBM" by DENVER::DAVISGB (Thunder 'n Litnin....) Tue Aug 14 1990 23:38

Looks like IBM is now about to add legitimacy to distributed database.
    
A few database related Excerpts from.....
    
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	     News Articles from the Week of August 3, 1990

...
IBM is rumored to be readying a blueprint of its distributed database plans 
for September intro which will emphasize the continued need for mainframes in 
distributed computing environments.  Products expected to be announced include 
a DB2 version that allows PS/2 users limited read-only access as well as DB2 
support for hierarchial databases.  Gartner Group's Braude expects IBM will 
use the same rollout method for these products that it did for those with 
Ad/Cycle ie. develop the architecture and utilize third parties for the 
specifics.  He predicts IBM will make equity investments in the firms it 
chooses as it did with Ad/Cycle.  Digital Consulting's Schussel believes IBM 
has a very aggressive long range plan for distributed database architecture. 


 (NetW,7/30/90,p8)

IBM announced it will eventually offer a distributed database which can 
interoperate across SAA and AIX systems - NFD. (CommWeek,7/30/90,p49)

                  INDUSTRY REACTIONS & RUMORS

IBM is rumored to be planning to announce its SQL/400 in several weeks when it 
introduces its new low-end AS/400 model - NFD. (CSN,7/30/90,p6)

 (PCWeek,7/30/90,p122)

IBM is rumored to have two AIX databases waiting in the wings. One is for IBM's 
Unix variant and one is for the RS/6000.  Also, the firm is rumored to have 
Jnan Dash, as well as other DB2 architects, on the mainframe AIX database job.  
The databases are expected to be announced this fall when it announces its
distributed database strategy - NFD. (CSN,7/30/90,p6)

....
     As IBM opens up NetView to run on multiple platforms, it creates a need 
     for a repository that can be used by all platforms.  Knittel said that 
     IBM has two priorities as it approaches that problem:

          to create a consistent way to format data

          to put all the data in a database with a facility which
          enables sharing and interoperability between databases

     The database will probably use SQL but IBM hasn't decided if it will use 
     DB2.

     Repository Manager is being considered as a bases for the NetView 
     repository but other options are also being considered.

     Knittel finished by saying that the firm's direction regarding the 
     repository will be clarified in the near future.

    
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712.1What about our DDB strategy ???POBOX::LACEYACMS/Rdb, the transaction AutobahnSat Sep 01 1990 00:3910
    There's been something in the news about distributed databases every
    week since that article. Can't we let people know how far ahead of the
    game we will be with our distributed DB strategy (product to remain
    unamed).
    
    It already looks to the industry that we are behind.
    
    I'm tired of playing catch-up.
    
    _Paul
712.2We are way ahead!BROKE::THOMASWed Dec 12 1990 18:5781
    Don't let IBM hype get you down.  The press are starting to see through
    IBM's assertions, and lots of folks are commenting on the fact the IBM
    is really behind the times.  We've gotten a lot of good press since 
    the November announcement.
    
    Here's a comparison between IBM and DEC, based on their definitions:
    
    About two years ago, IBM announced their long term distributed database
    strategy.  It is a staged plan to provide ever increasing distributed
    capability in each future release of their database products.  They 
    broke the distributed functionality down into 4 phases:
    
    1-  Remote request.
    
        Remote request allows an application on one system to send a single 
        SQL request to a database on another system.  DB2 provided this 
        capability in V2.2 which was made available in January 1990,
        although access is far from being transparent.  An assembler 
        program was required to effect the transfer of control (using 
        APPC/LU6.2) to a user written application on the foreign node.
        IBM graciously provided an example assembler program.  Also, 
        updates are only allowed at the remote database from TSO 
        applications (generally not popular for performance reasons)
        and not from CICS or IMS applications (normally used).  In 
        September 1990 they announced DB2 V2.3 which no longer requires 
        the assembler program, but still requires the user written 
        application on the foreign node.  With DB2 V2.3 they will also 
        provide remote request and remote unit of work (see next bullet)
        access to SQL/DS V3.3 systems running on VM/ESA.  The base function
        DB2 V2.3 will be available in 10/91.  The base function does not 
        include access to SQL/DS or remote unit of work with other DB2
        systems.
    
        Rdb has provided easy to use remote request functionality 
        since V1.0, released in 1984.  VIDA for DB2, released in 1989, 
        allows Rdb applications to transparently send remote requests to 
        DB2.  RdbAccess for ORACLE, released in November 1990, allows Rdb 
        applications to transparently send remote requests to ORACLE.  And 
        RdbAccess for RMS, to be released next quarter, will allow remote 
        requests to RMS files.
    
    2-  Remote unit of work.
    
        Remote unit of work allows an application to execute an entire 
        transaction on a remote database.  DB2 V2.3 will provides this
        functionality, although remote unit of work will not be available 
        in the base function version of DB2 V2.3.  They will announce 
        the planned availability date of DB2 V2.3 remote-unit-of-work 
        capability at the same time they announce the availability of 
        SQL/DS V3.3 in 9/91.  DB2 V2.3 maintains the same restriction 
        that updates to remote systems can only be accomplished by TSO
        applications, not CICS or IMS applications.  (Talk about 
        vaporware!)  No doubt, complex APPC/LU6.2 programming will be 
        required to implement this functionality also.
    
        Rdb has supported remote unit of work since V1.0.  We announced 
        the Information Network in November which will provide remote unit 
        of work capability to foreign databases, including update capability.
        We have not announced an availability date.
    
    3-  Distributed unit of work.
    
        Distributed unit of work allows an application to execute a 
        transaction which accesses and updates multiple databases.
        This functionality requires two phase commit capability.
        DB2 has not yet provided this capability, nor have they 
        announced when this capability might be available.  
    
        Rdb V4.0 (with VMS V5.4 and DECdtm) allows you to update multiple 
        Rdb, DBMS, and RMS databases/files within the same transaction.  
    
    4-  Distributed request
    
        Distributed request allows an application to access multiple 
        databases from within the same SQL request.  IBM has not 
        forecast the availability of this capability.
    
        We announced the Information Network in November which will 
        allow access to multiple Rdb, DB2, ORACLE, and other databases
        from within the same SQL request.  We have not yet announced 
        an availability date.
712.3references for good pressMBALDY::LANGSTONassimpleaspossiblebutnotsimplrMon Dec 17 1990 18:467
Anne,

How about providing some references for the "good press" you mentioned in .2.

Thanks,

Bruce
712.4Some press clippings from 5 Nov BROKE::THOMASSat Jan 05 1991 02:05175
                =================================
                  DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION
                =================================

ANNOUNCEMENT SUMMARIES

Digital announced new products and services that extend and
enhance the functionality of RDB/VMS, its strategic relational
database on VMS.  Included in the announcement were products that
enhance RDB/VMS interoperability with other vendors' databases
using NAS, services for migration to RDB/VMS, and an object-
oriented application development system. (CW,11/12/90,p6;
PCWeek,11/12/90,p6; See also 6_43)


INDUSTRY REACTIONS

Digital described Information Network, a software framework
similar to IBM's Systemview strategy, but stressing multivendor
integration through a suite of data management products. 
Digital's VP of Software Products, David Stone, said that Digital
wants the premier integration position.  He said that Information
Network's vision is to be able to place the data manager on the
platform of the client's choice.

Digital will announce specific product descriptions and time
frames for the distributed software architecture during the next
six months.  This is similar to IBM's SAA announcement method. 
The earliest that the strategy will be in place is a 1993-94 time
frame.

Information Network is ultimately supposed to permit users to
transparently access database management systems from IBM,
Ingres, Oracle, and other third-party vendors.  Many clients said
that Digital and IBM will have to learn to co-exist.  John
Braucksieker, Director of Information Systems at Protein
Technologies, said that as more large firms move internal
sections to different platforms, a method of maintaining existing
operations will be necessary.  He said, "IBM and DEC don't want
all-out war." (CW,11/12/90,p1)

Digital's Information Network strategy emphasizes its efforts to
be considered a system software firm and multivendor integrator
while representing its most ambitious software challenge to IBM. 
Elven Riley, VP of Technology Planning at Manufacturers Hanover's
Investment Banking Division, said it could be called "the Battle
of the Imaginary Titans" because it would take quite a while for
either firm to offer anything beside the present bolted-together
tool sets.

Some users say that if Digital keeps its promises of complying
with open standards, another proprietary database system may not
be an issue for corporate clients.  Riley noted that the ability
to develop an application programming interface on a Digital
system and then move to another platform was a key issue for him. 
He said that it was unclear whether this was possible.

Several users said that Digital's strategy was attractive because
of the present multivendor nature of the business computing
environment.  Prudential-Bache Securities' Chief Information
Officer, William Anderson, said that very few major firms aren't
mixed shops, and easier interrelation is an advantage.  Even
Citicorp, which selected Sybase as its main database, considers
interoperability between databases "clearly attractive" and
something it would consider.  An IS Manager who requested
anonymity said that Digital was moving in the right direction.

Gartner Group Analyst, Wes Melling, said that ideally, a firm
uses a single repository, or two which coexist.  He said that
either IBM or Digital would have to furnish a rich bridge between
their repositories, and Digital would probably do it.
(CW,11/12/90,p1; CSN,11/12/90,p10)


                               ANNOUNCEMENT SUMMARIES

          Digital announced new products and services that extend and
          enhance the functionality of RDB/VMS, its strategic relational
          database on VMS.  Included in the announcement were products that
          enhance RDB/VMS interoperability with other vendors' databases
          using Network Application Support, services for migration to
          RDB/VMS, and an object-oriented application development system. 
          Product details:

               DEC RdbAccess for Oracle on VMS provides RDB/VMS SQL
               gateway, enabling direct read access to Oracle databases. 
               RDB/VMS application can transparently access an Oracle
               database using standard VAX SQL commands.  Available now,
               RdbAccess for Oracle is priced from $1,130 to $47,100
               depending on customer configuration.

               DEC RdbAccess for VAX RMS provides an RDB/VMS SQL gateway,
               enabling direct read access to RMS and VSAM data.  RdbAccess
               for RMS will be available in March 1991 with pricing from
               $900 to $37,860, depending on customer configuration.

               VAX Data Distributor, Version 2.2, allows users to
               automatically transfer and consolidate data from Oracle,
               DB2, VSAM, RDB/VMS and RMS databases to RDB/VMS databases to
               create a data warehouse.

               Rdb Migration services assist customers in moving their
               databases and applications to RDB/VMS databases.

               Initial offering of the Rdb Migration program will provide a
               comprehensive set of services enabling customers to convert
               from Oracle to Rdb databases.

               Rdb Migration program will be offered through Digital's
               Center for Migration Services in Colorado Springs, Colorado,
               to customers worldwide.

               DEC Trellis Object System, a sophisticated object-oriented
               system for application development features a pure object-
               oriented language, tools and compiler support for object-
               oriented programming of large, complex applications.  These
               types of applications tend to be difficult to model using
               existing software development tool.

               Examples of complex applications where Trellis is well-
               suited include those applications that require significant
               data modeling or complicated analysis such as electronic
               assembly in CAD, portfolio management in financial segments,
               and CASE tools such as design analysis.  Trellis has an SQL
               type library, giving users the ability to build applications
               on relational databases such as Rdb

               DEC Trellis will be available in December 1990 with pricing
               set at $5K per user/activity license.

               Objectivity/DB, a high performance, object-oriented database
               management system that combines database technology with
               object-oriented concepts, available due to a joint
               technology, marketing and reselling agreement with
               Objectivity, Inc.

               Objectivity/DB will be available in January 1991 for the
               VAX/VMS, VAX/Ultrix and RISC/Ultrix platforms

               Objectivity/DB is priced at $3K to $25K and will be
               available in December 1990

           (Press Release,11/5/90)


                                 INDUSTRY REACTIONS

          Digital announced its database strategy and direction, which
          provides a software framework for extending Network Application
          Support data access services called the "Information Network". 
          Details:

               encompasses technologies that will allow users to
               transparently integrate and manage data dispersed across a
               multivendor distributed computing environment

               will allow integration of Digital and non-Digital data
               managers, will be portable across platforms, and will allow
               direct access to all forms of networked data

               Hans Gyllstrom, Manager of Database Systems at Digital,
               said, "With the Information Network, Digital intends to
               provide complete, transparent integration across two
               dimensions.  First, Digital will integrate a variety of data
               representations, including alphanumeric, test, graphics,
               multimedia and objects.  Second, Digital will network
               information across an enterprise of multivendor systems,
               integrating different Digital and non-Digital data managers. 
               The Information Network strategy is unique in that it goes
               beyond conventional database technology on the market
               today."

           (Press Release,11/5/90; CSN,11/5/90,p1)