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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1348
Total number of notes:5438

660.0. "Adabas supports of cluster failure??" by ZPOV01::JEFFREYCHOY (If U can't sell Rdb What can U?) Mon May 28 1990 13:03

    I have tried talking to local distributor of Adabas but they
    did not give me a straight answer as to whether Adabas,today supports
    FULL AUTOMATIC CLUSTER RECOVERY as understood by us in RDB.
    
    Could someone update me in this aspect of Adabas. Basically the
    customer need to know how does ADABAS takes care of cluster failure.
    And specifically how LONG does it takes to recover under various
    circumstances such as nucleus node failure verses slave node failure.
    
    There will be 100 active Adabas users.( you may consider 30 percent
    on update transactions and the workload is about 2 tps)
    
    By the way, does anybody knows the CPU overhead of ADABAS.
    For example it takes 1 to 1.5 vup to transact one Rdb transaction.
    
    I appreciate any response to this. 
    
    Thanks in advance, Jeffrey Choy
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660.1NothingCLYPPR::BOOTHWhat am I?...An Oracle?Tue May 29 1990 16:116
    As far as I know, Adabas has no automatic cluster recovery. Their
    answer has generally been to the effect "Adabas can ceratinly do that
    if you are willing to write the code." I don't think there is anything
    in Adabas to facilitate cluster recovery.
    
    ---- Michael Booth
660.2Some bits and piecesNOT003::DENTIIan Dent, Nottingham, UKWed May 30 1990 12:0624
    Adabas sees a cluster as a collection of nodes connected via DECnet
    and therefore treats them as a standard network. There is no cluster
    recovery. 
    
    What Software AG recommend is that a generic batch queue with a
    job limit of 1 is set up for the cluster and the nucleus is submitted
    to this queue. A second nucleus is also submitted which waits in
    the queue. Once the node running the nucleus crashes the second
    job in the queue starts, accesses the database on the shared disks
    and recovers any unfinished transactions. System then continues
    running.
    
    This is a simple explanation of something that would be hard to
    get correct as the Net-work product must also be modified during
    the startup of the "second" nucleus as this contains a list of which
    node runs which nucleus.
    
    Software AG plan to bring out a product called "Watchdog" which
    will automatically detect a node in a cluster crashing and invoke
    a command procedure specified by the operator.
    
    To summarise, Software AG could talk around this subject enough
    to confuse the customer but basically do not have any automatic
    cluster recovery.