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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:	DEC Rdb against the World

Moderator:	HERON::GODFRIND

Created:	Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:	Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	1348
Total number of notes:	5438

527.0. "INGRES 6.3" by ZPOV03::JEFFREYCHOY (Hardly trained ) Thu Jan 04 1990 06:23

    Has anybody come across a recent Ingres press release
    (Boston,Nov 6,1989) by RTI or now better known as Ingres Corp.
    
    I am currently competing with Ingres and how should I rebut
    the following claims on Ingres Intelligent Database TM and
    Knowledge Management TM. My customer is getting excited over this
    recent annoucements.
    
    INGRES RELEASE 6.3 empahsised:
    
    INTELLIGENT DATABASE = DATA MANAGEMENT
                         + KNOWLEDGE MANAGEMENT
                         + OBJECT MANAGEMENT
    
    NEW INTELLIGENT DBMS MANAGEMENT INCLUDE:
    
    DATA MANAGEMENT
    -ONLINE BACKUP
    -TWO PAHSE COMMIT
    -INTERNATIONAL SORTING SEQ
    -MULTISERVER FAST COMMIT
    
    KNOWLEDGE MANAGEMENT
    
    -RULE SYSTEM
    -RESOURCE CONTROL SYSTEM
    -ACCESS CONTROL SYSTEM
    
    
    ONLINE BACKUP is not an issue, since Rdb has it more than a year ago
    but it is "2PC" that worries me. Their packaging of conventional
    database with object database and knowledege database is indeed very
    impressive and sounds like "An offer you cannot refuse".
    
    Could someobody offer me some ammunition to fight this
    case please.
    
    
    Best Regards, Jeffrey

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
527.1	Tell INGRES to put up or SHUT UP !!!	SNOC01::BELAKHOVM	Target sighted and locked in, commence firing !!!	`Fri Jan 05 1990 01:27`	18
	Jeffrey, I recently attended an INGRES seminar where they were having problems demonstrating even their V6.0 product. When asked about the V6.3 "intelligent" database products, they said that they were not available yet and did not specify when they would be available. So, I think it would be important to explain to the customer that he must buy products that are already available and not believe in futures which may or may not solve the problem. If INGRES really do have such a technologically advanced product, get them to demonstrate ALL of these new features to the customer. Rdb/VMS V3.1 is a very good product and can deliver customer expectations today, not at some mythical time in the future. Michael
527.2	Ingres Corp.	DPDMAI::DAVISGB	Gil Davis DTN 554-7245	`Fri Jan 05 1990 18:50`	11
	I called Denver directory assistance and asked for Ingres' corp and Relational Technology separately. I got two different phone numbers. The Relational Technology number was answered and the Ingres number rangh off the wall with no answer... An old friend of mine said that they had recently changed their name to Ingres Corp. He also said that they has an opening in San Diego which was cancelled due to their hiring freeze. In a nutshell...they are now Ingres' Corporation. A bit catchier and recognizeable than 'Relational Technology' I would say..
527.3		ODIHAM::POORE	Stuart Poore, SRAC, Basingstoke, UK	`Mon Jan 08 1990 15:27`	13
	My understanding is that all the "Knowledge based ..." stuff in V6.3 is what we call Triggers and Constraints which we announched in V3.1 (already shipping in the states (?)). I also understand their 2PC requires special programming and manual intervention after a 'crash' to rollback the databases. This is just my understanding, so check up before you shoot them down. We still have a better product in Rdb ! Hope this helps. Stuart P.