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| 469.1 | Brilliant baloney | CLYPPR::BOOTH | What am I?...An Oracle? | Wed Oct 25 1989 15:21 | 53 |
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Oracle is a brilliant marketing company. My comments.
---- Michael Booth
Some other statements were made such as:
* "Version 7 of Oracle will be available in mid 1990"
>>>> Funny, Larry Ellison told Computerworld that V7 would be the end of
>>>> 1990.
* "Support of VAXClusters is available under V6, but we do not have
the software here yet"
>>>> Funny, Brian Owen, the Oracle VP for DEC Products told DR two
>>>> weeks ago that VAXcluster support was not present, and he could not
>>>> even guess when it would be available.
* "Oracle Financials are not available under ULTRIX, but are available
on SEQUENT running UNIX"
>>>> Just like Oracle Core Manufacturing will be available on Sequent
>>>> only at least six months before VAX. This is perfectly logical, as
>>>> all layered product development at Oracle is being done on Sequent
>>>> machines.
(All this was said with a straight face)
When the discussion turned to the configuration of VAX/VMS systems,
they produced the ORACLE Configuration and Sizing Guide, and quoted
that as a rule of thumb ORACLE on VMS requires 0.5 MB of memory per
user and 0.5 to 0.75 MIPs per user. They explained that this was
a worst case scenario, but guaranteed that if a system of that size
was configured Oracle would definetly run on it.
This means that for a 50 user system you need between a 25 to 37
MIP box, in other words a 6460 should do the job really well. Who
said that Oracle was not efficient (:-)?
All comments welcome, what do you guys think of this?
>>>> More and more, the picture is emerging that each Oracle customer
>>>> is an island. each is told a different story about both competitors and
>>>> the Oracle software itself. This was very clear from Oracle USer Week,
>>>> when customers began talking to each other. The customer may get Alpha,
>>>> Beta, or production software. Who knows what each customer is told when
>>>> he buys. There is no uniform method for disputing Oracle claims as the
>>>> claims are always obfuscated by the ever-present smokescreen of
>>>> hype.
Regards,
Michael
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| 469.2 | Who's kidding whom? | WIBBIN::NOYCE | Bill Noyce, FORTRAN/PARALLEL | Wed Oct 25 1989 16:25 | 5 |
| This kind of stuff really makes me wonder about the Oracle sales
reps. Do they really believe this stuff? Has the wool been pulled
over their eyes? Or do they know they're telling lies, or at least,
over-optimistic estimates?
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| 469.3 | Familiar | CLYPPR::BOOTH | What am I?...An Oracle? | Wed Oct 25 1989 18:12 | 4 |
| This may sound terribly familiar, but the prime metric at Oracle is
"book the sale". Means seem to be secondary to the ends.
---- Michael Booth
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| 469.4 | Another BIG $ factor | KYOA::HANSON | Fourty five, Jimmy! Count'em, 45!! | Thu Oct 26 1989 17:13 | 14 |
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...Don't forget also that the Oracle sales people are *highly* paid.
Megabucks from everything I've heard. And that if they don't perform,
it's not long before they're back on the streets. (Thus, as Michael
said, "Book The Sale.")
Figure; If a salesrep is being paid big dollars with the threat of
losing the job, they're liable to say most anything.
Another cut is that "hype" can roll downhill. If Ellison decrees it,
management supports it, and sales believes it. Unfortunately, we have
to live with it.
Bob
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| 469.5 | Understand it, YES - live with it, NO !!! | SNO78C::BELAKHOV | The ORACLEBUSTER !!! | Fri Oct 27 1989 04:22 | 13 |
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� Another cut is that "hype" can roll downhill. If Ellison decrees it,
� management supports it, and sales believes it. Unfortunately, we have
� to live with it.
I do not agree that we have "TO LIVE WITH IT", we should take every
opportunity to point out to anyone that will listen, both customers
and internal people, the discrepancies in ORACLE's statements and their
poor history in delivering their promises.
Getting off the soapbox,
Michael
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