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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:	DEC Rdb against the World

Moderator:	HERON::GODFRIND

Created:	Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:	Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	1348
Total number of notes:	5438

466.0. ""Oracle FUD on blasts Rdb" memo" by SCAACT::NARDI (Phil Nardi, TP Consultant, 483-4474) Mon Oct 23 1989 17:29

    
    Listen!  A customer has given me a memo that Oracle is circulating
    and is entitled, "ORACLE/Rdb OVERVIEW, OCT 1989"  It is full of
    FUD and attempts to discredit Rdb.
    
    This Oracle memo is an updated version similar to the one that this 
    conference moderator has set hidden in note 461.  I have type it in 
    and have refuted, point by point, each of their statements/lies 
    as best as I can.
    
    I now need someone closer to Rdb software engineering, who understands
    Rdb internals better, to help answer a few of the I/O issues.  Please
    let me know who to mail this to.

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
466.1	It blew my eyes out!	KYOA::HANSON	Where'd he get those wonderful toys?	`Tue Oct 24 1989 16:47`	29
	Very much related, but certainly not referring to the exact same memo: Two weeks ago I was at an account in New York City (and notwithstanding the fact that their project had no direction... and that they were considering a number of database and software tools...) and they were kind enough to let me glance at a paper that Oracle had given them. This paper was a description of VIA products with emphasis on Rdb/VMS, item for item. A little bit of it was accurate. BUT... all of the products mentioned (with the version numbers) were circa 1987, and thus highly inaccurate today. They ran down SQL V1.0, Rdb/VMS V2.early, vintage ACMS, TDMS & FMS, and (sure) DECreporter. Needless to say, this gives the wrong information to the customer, not to mention that the paper was filled with technical inaccuracies. I ripped it apart with one of the technical people. I think this behaviour on the part of Oracle is reprehensible, but could it also indicate that they are reluctant to compare our current products with their product? It wouldn't be overly difficult for them to get SPDs, catalogs, brochures, and other more updated information out of Digital (shot: considering their wonderful relationship with DEC...), so it leaves me to wonder just why they are spreading this type of misinformation. Has anyone else run across this? Bob
466.2	Here..take THIS straw.	DPDMAI::DAVISGB	Gil Davis DTN 554-7245	`Tue Oct 24 1989 17:16`	16
	Well let me take a shot.... Probably the only place they (the customer) hear anything different is from someone at Digital. If there isn't anyone in the local DEC office that's up to speed on our current database strategy, tools etc, then the customer will hear silence from Digital and there's no one to refute Oracle's positioning of our products. Also...Oracle advertises, hold seminars, and generally overwhelms customers as compared to our own localized marketing efforts. It's easy for Oracle to misinform the customer, because there's no one to tell them the real story! Interesting that they position DECreporter....As they begin to grasp at straws, we should soon begin to hear Oracle folks positioning their product against TRAX!