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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1348
Total number of notes:5438

409.0. "Oracle V6/TPS status on other machines ?" by ODIHAM::POORE (Stuart Poore, SRAC, Basingstoke, UK) Wed Aug 23 1989 11:46

    Could anybody out there give me any info about :
    
    Oracle V6/TPS on VMS. Has it REALLY been released yet ?
    Oracle V6/TPS on VAX Ultrix. Any news ?
    Oracle V6/TPS on Risc Ultrix. Any news ?
    Oracle V6/TPS on HP kit. Any news ?
    Oracle V6/TPS on ICL machines. I heard the port was on some time
    back. Any news ?
    
    The reason I ask, is that 'I heard' that Oracle were concentrating
    so much on the important VAX implementation that they were forgetting
    about the vanilla Unix implementation.
    
    	Stuart P.
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409.1Yes and NoMAIL::DUNCANGGerry Duncan @KCOWed Aug 23 1989 19:1339
    
>>   Oracle V6/TPS on VMS. Has it REALLY been released yet ?

    Yes it has except it is called V6 with TPO.  I do not know of
    the status outside of the USA.
    
>>  Oracle V6/TPS on VAX Ultrix. Any news ?
>>  Oracle V6/TPS on Risc Ultrix. Any news ?

    Not sure ... will check next week.  I have an Oracle contact on
    the west coast.
    
>>  Oracle V6/TPS on HP kit. Any news ?

    Definately not available for HPUX maybe for MPE.
    
    
>>  Oracle V6/TPS on ICL machines. I heard the port was on some time
    back. Any news ?

    Given their port strategy, I would say not available yet.  Will
    check next week with my source.    

>>  The reason I ask, is that 'I heard' that Oracle were concentrating
>>  so much on the important VAX implementation that they were forgetting
>>  about the vanilla Unix implementation.
    
	
    Actually it appears the other way in the USA.  They appear to focusing
    their efforts on PC/LAN servers, Sequent and HP Unix, and IBM host
    environments.  VMS seems to be down the list.  (FYI ... Oracle kernel
    development IS done on the VAX so VMS is usually first from the
    kernel point of view.  However, tools and applications are often
    NOT first on VMS.  My customer was told by Oracle to expect no more
    than 1 month delay between a release on Sequent than on VMS.
    
    
    
    
409.2VMS? Only partiallyCOOKIE::BERENSONVAX Rdb/VMS VeteranWed Aug 23 1989 23:422
You missed an important point:  The 'released' version on VMS doesn't
support VAXclusters.  At least as of the last I heard....
409.3Trust me, I'm from ORACLE (:-) !!!SNO78C::BELAKHOVOh, my god, it's full of stars.Thu Aug 24 1989 09:218
    I was talking to a customer today who is running Oracle, he said
    that although the TPO option was now available, their new SQL for
    TP was not.
    
    I do not know how true this is, but I though it was an interesting
    customer comment.
    
    Michael
409.4TrueQUILL::BOOTHWhat am I?...An Oracle?Thu Aug 24 1989 17:415
    It is true. TPO is available, but PL/SQL is not. Consequently, you get
    row-level locking, but you don't get the new language that drives
    better database performance.
    
    ---- Michael Booth
409.5PL/SQL is BetaMAIL::DUNCANGGerry Duncan @KCOFri Aug 25 1989 21:0417
    SQL*plus (Oracle's SQL) is available for V6/TPO.  My customer has
    (taken from Oracle startup logs) "PL/SQL V1.0.21.0.0 Beta" and the
    database is "6.0.26.7.0 TPO Production".  
    
    V6 does not yet run in a VAXcluster in Oracle SHARED mode.  V6 DOES
    run in a VAXcluster on a single node.  Please be aware that Oracle
    will tell the customer that V6 runs in a VAXcluster and leave it
    at that.  It is left to the customer (or us) to point out that the
    database CANNOT be accessed from two update programs on different
    nodes (eg SHARED mode).

    -- gerry
    Finally, don't be fooled here.  Even without PL/SQL, the customer
    will still get row level locking with V6/TPO.  So since programs
    are not locking each other out with table locks, the performance
    is naturally better with TPO and the resultant row level locks.