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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1348
Total number of notes:5438

398.0. "CINCOM's SUPRA ?" by CLO::MOLLEY () Fri Aug 11 1989 18:41

    Greetings,
    
    Any info or pointers to info on the following would be greatly
    appreciated:
    
    1.  Does the CINCOM product, SUPRA, use the distributed lock manager?
    
    2.  Does the CINCOM product, SUPRA, run across clusters?
    
    3.  Does anyone have any info on the performance of SUPRA in an SMP
    environment?  Does it even run on SMP systems?
    
    
    Thanks for the assist,
    
    Nik
    
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398.1CINCOM goes relationalTRCO01::MCMULLENMon Feb 26 1990 17:3847
    I just read this note. I am also looking for some information on
    CINCOM products, but can answer some of the questions.
    
    
    >>>    1.  Does the CINCOM product, SUPRA, use the distributed lock manager?
         
    No ... does not use the distributed lock manager
    
    
    >>> 2.  Does the CINCOM product, SUPRA, run across clusters?
        
    No ... it does not support clusters the way Rdb and Ingres does.
    It must treat each node in the cluster as a separate network node.
    The overhead of network access is incurred.
    
    
    Does anyone have any more information on SUPRA/MANTIS.
    
    In the insurance world there are three companies that have policy
    and claims management applications. Two of them are IBM based systems
    and one is a Digital based application.
    
    PMS - is the oldest IBM based package. Not doing to well anymore.
    
    REALTIME - is the Digital based application. Proprietary
    software/database but is a good performer, but hard to integrate.
    
    PAXIS - new IBM based product using SUPRA/MATIS V1.35 (not relational).
    
    It is common to find insurance companies with more than one of the
    above applications. I would like to know if anyone knows of any
    products that interface from IBM/SUPRA to Digital/Rdb. I believe
    I could use SUPRA/MANTIS on the DEC platform, but this would not
    drive up my stock price.
    
    Apparently CINCOM has/or will be shortly delivering a new version
    of SUPRA that is relational and has an SQL interface. Does anyone
    have anymore information, knockoffs, features, etc? Are CINCOM's
    products/appliations portable between IBM and DEC? 
    
    Why anyone would bet their business on CINCOM today I don't know.
    As an ex CINCOM customer ('85) support and product delivery left
    a lot to be desired. I belive they are also not doing very well
    financially.   
    
    
    
398.2TROA09::NAISHRDB4ME Paul Naish DTN 631-7280Fri Mar 02 1990 03:177
    Ken, tried of playing telephone tag with you.
    
    Firts, I have a couple of manuals on CINCOM. Let me know if you
    want to borrow them.
    
    Second, because CINCOM was part of the VAX Attract for HP program,
    the Colorado Conversion Center has a lot of expertise.
398.3Is it that amazing?REBOK::CASEYWed May 09 1990 20:2921
    A CINCOM sales team (salesman + software engineer) gave a 2-hour
    presentation here (GSG Technical Services, Landover, MD) yesterday.
    They're alarmingly agressive.  Presentation was jumbled, appeared
    to mix current and future functionality of both MANTIS and SUPRA.
    I honestly expected to hear,  "It slices, dices.  Isn't it amazing..."
    
    The software engineer seemed to know his product's internals well, 
    but kept apologizing that "the engineer who knows Digital" couldn't
    be at the meeting.  He surely didn't.  Didn't know what a hashed
    index was, but did know specifics of how SUPRA handles large segmented
    strings.
    
    It was a very mixed-message presentation.  I'm going to a CINCOM
    "technical presentation" next week and will post whatever I learn.
    
    But does anyone have feedback as to how reliable these people, their
    products, and their promises are?
    
    Elaine