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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1348
Total number of notes:5438

371.0. "ORACLE's DB Engine machine - TRUE ???" by SNO78C::BELAKHOV (Oh, my god, it's full of stars.) Thu Jun 22 1989 02:56

    
    I was told that ORACLE have announced their database engine machine
    in the US and claim that it runs at 500 MIPS.
    
    The source was supposedly a morning business show on Australian
    TV.
    
    Is this true, or did something get lost in the translation ?
    
    If ORACLE really have announced a database engine, it would finally
    prove to the sales world that allowing ORACLE into any site could
    and probably would mean complete loss of all VAXes in that site.
    
    Very, very concerned,
    Michael
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371.1Maybe ThisBROKE::BOOTHWhat am I?...An Oracle?Thu Jun 22 1989 16:146
    At least in Europe, someone heard it would be the NCUBE machine from
    ETA systems. It is a parallel processing Unix box (big surprise).
    
    Details as soon as I get them.
    
    ---- Michael Booth
371.2Sequent?WELSWS::GIBSONAlan Gibson @WLOFri Jun 23 1989 15:4213
    The rumours I've heard in the (UK) press indicate a Sequent hot-box.
     I think I've read that they've entered into an OEM agreement.
                     
    Don't get too worked up about a very high tps rate.  That would
    be the usual "debit/credit" with read-only, all-in-memory, etc tweaks.
                     
    Oracle have been looking for hardware to sell themselves for a while,
    and this reinforces their main strategy: they like accounts to have
    hardware from many vendors.
                     
    If you want to frighten a salesperson who is thinking of selling
    VAXs and Oracle, tell him/her about Oracle hardware;  this can swing
    them towards Rdb.
371.3NCubeLACV01::NEEDLEMANyep - it's 42Wed Jun 28 1989 16:1549
	I was passed this news recently-
        
    
    NCUBE - Two announcements were to be made on June 19:
       o  An agreement with Oracle through which Oracle hopes to yield a 
          1000-transaction/sec. commercial database system by 1Q90.
       o  The NCube-2
       The following information is pre-announcement:
    
       Oracle may take an equity position in NCube.  Oracle and NCube are 
       currently testing a version of the Oracle DBMS running on the new 
       NCube-2 system.  This is one of the first times a major business- 
       oriented applications package has been ported to a parallel 
       processing computer.    
    
       The NCube-2, which runs Unix V.3, will require a specialized DBMS 
       interface in addition to the standard porting work to be done by 
       Oracle.  Oracle will port its SQL*Forms and SQL*Plus tools as well 
       as version 6.0 of its DBMS engine to the NCube-2.  Oracle is 
       expected to promise that applications developed for other Oracle 
       systems will be fully portable to the NCube environment.  
    
       One NCube processor can access up to 64 MBytes of RAM, allowing 
       NCube-2 to maintain many gigabytes of data in RAM, according to 
       sources.  NCube rates its internal data communications at over 70 
       Gbytes/sec. This high availability makes it ideal for I/O intensive 
       database applications, which frequently are bound more by the limits 
       of the I/O channel than raw processing power.  The entire DBMS and 
       its files could be stored in RAM, making data access virtually 
       instantaneous.  
    
       The massively parallel structure of the NCube-2 also would make it 
       ideal for a multiprocessing DBMS architecture such as that promised 
       for the Oracle version 6.0 environment.
    
       Oracle will bring to NCube prestige, financing, and a direct sales 
       force giving NCube exposure to key commercial and government 
       markets.  NCube is a six-year-old company with only 33 people.  
       Having Oracle's front-end tools and SQL DBMS will also help NCube 
       gain respectability in the commercial market, which has been 
       reluctant to commit to massively parallel machines because of a lack 
       of good applications development environments.  
    
       The NCube 2 will have up to 8,192 processors.  NCube says it can 
       execute 100 Billion instructions/sec. or 27 Gflops.  There may be 
       512 Gbytes of memory and 16 trillion bytes of disk storage.  
       Shipments should begin in July.  
       	  {Computer Systems News, 6/19/89, Datamation, 6/1/89}       
    
371.4More depressing ORACLE stuffLACKEY::HIGGSIn the underworld of DBS/EAST/SOUTHThu Jun 29 1989 21:3444
The following is from Digital Review, 26th June 1989. page 3.  I know how 
Digital Review is know for its accuracy and love for Digital, and I also know 
that Oracle makes noises like this all the time, but it's still depressing.  

For non-US readers, a Tootsie Roll is a candy/sweet a little like soft toffee, 
and is pretty much an American institution.  

Beware! the puns come thick and fast...


		Tootsie Rollover: Oracle Gives DEC a Licking

			    by Gene Grygo

	Not everyone has been enjoying the sweet taste of success at Tootsie
	Roll Industries, where DEC took a recent licking.

	For the last several weeks, Oracle has run an ad campaign that touts
	how much Tootsie Roll executives like their Oracle Financials accounting
	software.

	The problem for DEC salespeople is that when Tootsie Roll bought Oracle
	Financials, the company wasted little time in switching from a VAX 8250
	running VMS to a Unix-based superminicomputer from Sequent Computer
	Systems of Beaverton, Ore.

	The overriding factors in "the Tootsie rollover" were price and the 
	chance to port applications based on an Oracle database to the new Unix
	system, said William Gedvilas, Tootsie Roll's MIS director.

	"We got the Sequent S81 for a lot less than a VAX 6240 or VAX 6230.
	DEC responded with their best shot, but the price was out of this 
	world.", he said.

	The price of the Sequent machine was one quarter of the price for DEC's
	system package, he added.

	Tootsie Roll's MIS department wants to establish an MRP (materials
	resource planning) system by 1992 to automate the manufacturing of
	Tootsie Roll goodies, he said.

	Maybe by then, DEC salespeople won't have to suck so many lollipops.