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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1348
Total number of notes:5438

364.0. "Oracle tools for RDB ?" by TAV02::ARIE (Arie Blum -- SWAS DEC-Israel) Thu Jun 01 1989 13:09

    There is a rumor that Oracle is building it's 4GL tool above
    Rdb... (like Ingres tools).
    
    Is it true or it's another trick of Oracle ?
    
    
    
                Arie.
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364.1RMS, not Rdb is possibleKYOA::HANSONThe Youngest Curmudgeon!Thu Jun 01 1989 16:238
    
    I just read a blurb in that "bastion of journalistic respectability,"
    Digital Review, that Oracle was beginning work on an RMS interface,
    but no mention was mad of Rdb.  
    
    It would seem counter to O's philosophy, I think, to build to Rdb.
    
    Bob
364.2Is there any value in this?NUTMEG::SILVERBERGThu Jun 01 1989 19:434
    Same issue...different angle - Would we want to encourage ORACLE
    to build its tools/environment on top of Rdb?  Would there be any
    advantages for us?
364.3UnlikelyQUILL::BOOTHWhat am I?...An Oracle?Fri Jun 02 1989 00:5623
    Same issue...Possible Oracle perspective:
    
    SQL*Forms is not effectively competitive with 3rd party 4GLs that
    currently run on Rdb. Oracle generally wins with it because of its
    tight integration with other Oracle tools. If Oracle migrated it to run
    on Rdb, they would have to rewrite to get much greater functional
    capability from the product.
    
    Secondly, to be effective, they would have to interface to CDD/Plus.
    That would hardly help them sell their proprietary dictionary.
    
    Thirdly, Oracle would have to go to totally new pricing schemes. Their
    4GL is currently rather cheap with the RDBMS being the big ticket item.
    Migrating their tools would force them to a low-cost RDBMS, high-cost
    tools situation to maintain their profitability.
    
    Fourthly, Oracle's direction is vertical applications and their own
    hardware. Migrating their tools seems diametrically opposed to their
    corporate goals. It would really hurt them as the tools would not
    leverage any account control, and account control is a cornerstone of
    the Oracle philosophy.
    
    ---- Michael Booth