| Title: | DEC Rdb against the World |
| Moderator: | HERON::GODFRIND |
| Created: | Fri Jun 12 1987 |
| Last Modified: | Thu Feb 23 1995 |
| Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
| Number of topics: | 1348 |
| Total number of notes: | 5438 |
Have you aver competed against Software AG's ADABAS on VMS? Who won?
Rdb/VMS, ADABAS, or a third player? I need to understand the overall
market position of ADABAS. Prior notes in this conference discuss HOW
to compete, but give no information on who won.
IF, and ONLY IF, you have been in a closed sales situation against ADABAS,
please reply with the key facts:
* Where was the sale (US, Europe, GIA location)?
* Who were the competitors for the DB?
* Who won the business?
* What was the 25 word or less reason (and I realize that product
features alone do not make the decision -- tell me what the winner
had or did that made the sale).
Please, no diverging conversations about "You could have won if
only..." in the replies. That's also relevent to this conference, so
write a new note about it.
Thanks.
| T.R | Title | User | Personal Name | Date | Lines |
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| 332.1 | ADABAS - did you win - ACMS | TRCO01::MCMULLEN | Ken McMullen | Thu Nov 22 1990 17:25 | 10 |
I am searching this notes file looking for information on Adabas and
thought the same thing - no one has said if they won or lost. Can
anyone add any information about why they won or why they lost?
It does look like the product is a screamer still. Does anyone have a
customer that uses ADABAS with ACMS?
regards,
Ken McMullen
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| 332.2 | Lyndsey Oil Refinery | NOT003::DENTI | Ian Dent @NOT, Nottingham, UK | Mon Dec 10 1990 13:20 | 28 |
Certainly in the UK, Software AG rarely attempt to sell Adabas
stand-alone. They would almost certainly propose the full Software
AG product set: Adabas, Natural (4GL), Predict (dictionary),
Supernatural (end-user 4GL) plus other products applicable to the
particular customer.
The comparison to Digital is thus between our proposed environment
(Rdb, ACMS?, Rally?, CDD/Plus, third party 4GL?, ...) and Software
AG's.
Recently Software AG have accepted the marketing message that the
hardware suppliers are the best people to provide databases and,
if prompted, would prefer to work with Digital and IBM to propose
environments based on DB2 or Rdb. In this way they get licence revenue
for 4GL and other layered products as well as consultancy revenue.
Whilst working for Software AG (until Oct 89) we competed against
Digital for Lyndsey Oil Refinery in the UK. SAG proposed their full
environment (Adabas, Natural, Predict, Construct) and Digital proposed
Rdb, Rally. SAG were preferred supplier from a technical viewpoint
but would not be sufficiently flexible on price and the business
went to Digital. Since then the business has moved to Oracle for
technical and political reasons.
I understand that the police force in Luxembourg have a system that
uses ACMS and Adabas. No further details.
Ian Dent
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| 332.3 | Bank International | NOT003::DENTI | Ian Dent @NOT, Nottingham, UK | Thu Dec 20 1990 13:14 | 7 |
A correction to 332.2.
The site in Luxembourg that uses ACMS together with Adabas is Bank
International.
This is known by the acronym BIL and was referred to me as "the
old bill" leading me to think that the site was the police!
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| 332.4 | ACMS & ADABAS? | TRCA01::MCMULLEN | Ken McMullen | Thu Dec 20 1990 17:29 | 10 |
What were the issues that said ACMS and ADABAS were the correct
solution? Since ADABAS is one multi-threaded image that does all the
I/O to the database, the serial re-usable servers that ACMS provides
would not help database performance. Did they use ACMS for the
distribution of the front-end?
SAG does sell it's own TP monitor on the IBM platform. I have not heard
if it will be coming to the VAX/VMS platform.
Ken
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